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it certainly wasn't Nash and Amare missing a large portion of the season that had anything to do with it
right...Once Shaq got to the Suns, the Suns stayed on top and won the championship!
The Suns were done before they got Shaq, you don't know anything about the situation stop acting like you do. I don't tell you about the Lakers post Gasol trade (when you became a fan) don't tell me about the Suns.
it certainly wasn't Nash and Amare missing a large portion of the season that had anything to do with it
I didn't know chemistry detached retinas or hurt backs.
Shaq was traded into a situation with an iden y crisis with a new GM, the Cavs don't have that problem.
"I love playing for this coach and I love playing with these guys," said O'Neal yesterday. "We have professionals who know what to do. No one is asking me to play with Chris Quinn or Ricky Davis. I'm actually on a team again."
Shaq O' Neal on being traded to the Suns.
and thats why people the lakers and most of their fans. because most of them are bandwagonning morons that have no idea what they are talking about, then just say "we have more rings than you do, !!! i lick balls, LOL!"
unfortunately it seems most of them found their way to this board...
It certainly had nothing to do with Nash ball hogging and becoming a cancer.....or it had nothing to do with Amare deciding he didn't have to rebound 20 games into the season....yup, it all had to do with the 3rd all NBA center on the team.
Are you happy with this trade Thunder Dan?
Yes DuncanOwnsKobe (and youre calling me a bandwagon fan lol)...You are right! Yah the Suns we're done..Top of the West...oh noes...horrible...How dare they take be at the #1 seed. I think its time to change things up by adding Shaq.
Exactly. They talk about Nash in whichever way it will suit their argument.
Sasha doesn't even play, so take him out. Shaq is an upgrade over Wallace... what is not to like? Shaq knows the situation coming in, he didn't have problems with Wade, there is no reason you can assume he has problems here
so Nash isnt a MVP in your eyes?
I have never said this.
Yes DuncanOwnsKobe (and youre calling me a bandwagon fan lol)...You are right! Yah the Suns we're done..Top of the West...oh noes...horrible...How dare they take be at the #1 seed. I think its time to change things up by adding Shaq.
Their record against the top 8 teams in the west at the time of the trade was 4-12.
Again, if you followed the team closely that season, you would know that team had no chance at winning a championship prior to the Shaq trade and their record was fool's gold, nothing more than the product of a weak schedule.
Sure, I can see getting rid of guys but are you "happy" with the trade.
What Nash did in 2006 has nothing to do with 2009. He was anything but an MVP last year. Tell me how Nash's 2 MVPs have anything to do with last season?
I could see people questioning the move if they gave up West or even Hickson or their first round pick....but they gave up a guy who wants to retire and a guy who sat on the bench all year for a Hall of Famer
Shaq's 3 for 4 in getting a team to the NBA Finals. And he's 4 for 6 when he gets to the NBA Finals. You play the odds of getting to the NBA Finals and having a good chance at winning it all even if it means soon after the team goes to the lottery.
Cavs put all their hopes into LeBron. The trade for Shaq is to show LeBron they are willing to do anything to try to win a championship and keep him around. The $20 million salary means very little because it's for one year and will come off the books and once again open up enough cap space to give LeBron the max and possibly another player the max or close to it.
There's a good chance that things don't work out for Cavs and the Shaq. I'm not trying to argue it guarantees anything. It doesn't guarantee a le or even an NBA Finals appearance. But, it doesn't guarantee a team implosion either. The bottom line is that the Cavs gave up next to nothing to get Shaq in the hopes that it does help them get that chance to a le. So if they give up next to nothing to get him, all those other little "risks" are worth it because they didn't give up anything of significant value for that chance. They didn't give up any young talent. They didn't compromise 2010 cap space. They didn't even give up a first round draft pick. They have waited four months to make the deal because they tried to find a better trade, so they didn't sacrifice what they feel would have been a better trade.
IMPLOSION!
So now the consensus is that Shaq is the reason the Suns sucked? Because they were so dominant defensively before his arrival?
I HATE Shaq but this is just insanity.
IMPLOSION!
Explain how a team with a 4-12 record against the other top teams in the west is a contender......or admit that post just owned your re ed ass ignornant, "best record at the time of the trade!!!!" argument.
yeah. For a one year solution you can't get better than Shaq. Shaq for a year then go after bosh
We're the suns not the best record at the time?
BTW, how was Clevelands record against top teams last year? You dont have to give me exact numbers...just tell me if the Cavs played good, bad or great against the top teams?
Cleveland got to keep the 46th pick, Kerr is such a puss
I can understand playing those odds for a <35 year old Center. But at age 38, I don't see a dominating force in the Playoffs. He's on the downturn. Year before, he got booted out of the first round by the Spurs, then this year, he was in the lotto. His stats are down. The Suns went down. D'Antoni went down. Everything about him is going down except his $20 million price.
The Cavs waited to make the trade because they thought they already had a Championship team. Heck, they won 66 games?They didn't give up any young talent. They didn't compromise 2010 cap space. They didn't even give up a first round draft pick. They have waited four months to make the deal because they tried to find a better trade, so they didn't sacrifice what they feel would have been a better trade.
They're barely a month out of the Playoffs and they've already jumped the gun on a bandage move. Who knows how many deals they'll miss out on.
We'll see how this plays out in June and LeBron's free agency but don't say I didn't tell you guys a year in advance.
PS. Let's book a Mike Brown firing in as well. No coach has survived Shaq either.
And I'm saying their best record was overplayed, it was misleading as and was the product of a weak schedule. Look at their schedule on basketball reference if you don't believe me. If they were a contender, they shouldn't have even had 10 losses at the time of that trade given their weak schedule.
And in response to that Cleveland question, yes, Cleveland did suck against good teams this year, and last I checked they fell short of the finals.
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