Shaq is a Cavalier

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

These ridiculous arguments about this being a bad trade for Cleveland. It's embarrassing. I call Spurs fans out when they rationalize and make insecure posts and that's exactly what lakerfan is doing in this thread. This is obviously a low risk high reward trade for the Cavs. There is nothing to debate.

[Allanon]

These ridiculous arguments about this being a bad trade for Cleveland. It's embarrassing. I call Spurs fans out when they rationalize and make insecure posts and that's exactly what lakerfan is doing in this thread. This is obviously a low risk high reward trade for the Cavs. There is nothing to debate.

First off, I'm not a Shaq hater, I'd love to have Shaq back for old time's sake. Veteran Minimum and backup to Bynum.

Shaq, at age 37, doesn't belong ANYWHERE at $20 million and as a #2 guy.

[dirk4mvp]

Laker fans are hilarious. Hating on a player who brought your team 3 les

[dirk4mvp]

Are you like some Mavs fans and their 'moral' 2006 championship? Just curious.

gtfo. That's 1 of us. And even then he's like the bas stepchild.

[DeadlyDynasty]

These ridiculous arguments about this being a bad trade for Cleveland. It's embarrassing. I call Spurs fans out when they rationalize and make insecure posts and that's exactly what lakerfan is doing in this thread. This is obviously a low risk high reward trade for the Cavs. There is nothing to debate.

agreed...it's a one-and-done deal

[JamStone]

I can understand playing those odds for a <35 year old Center. But at age 38, I don't see a dominating force in the Playoffs. He's on the downturn. Year before, he got booted out of the first round by the Spurs, then this year, he was in the lotto. His stats are down. The Suns went down. D'Antoni went down. Everything about him is going down except his $20 million price.

Shaq's 37 years old. Still old, but let's get his age right. Shaq doesn't have to dominate anymore. That's not what the Cavs are looking from him. The Cavs have LeBron and have another solid scorer in Mo Williams. They need Shaq to provide an inside presence on offense. He can still do that. No, he's not as dominant as he was even a few years ago, but he's still effective.

Last year, he averaged 18 ppg, 8 rpg on 61% FG shooting in 30 mpg. And, that's with playing with another high scoring big man next to him.

Shaq is obviously on the decline of his career, but that doesn't mean he can't help a team. And, once again, it goes back to what the Cavs had to give up to get him... expiring contracts and a second round pick (unless like DoK said, they didn't even give that up) and cash.

And stop mentioning the $20 million salary. It's for one year. Then he's off the books. That's actually part of the appeal since he'll get off the books after the season which will once again clear up a load of cap space for next summer.

The Cavs waited to make the trade because they thought they already had a Championship team. Heck, they won 66 games?

They're barely a month out of the Playoffs and they've already jumped the gun on a bandage move. Who knows how many deals they'll miss out on.

They won 66 games and they just traded for Shaq without giving up any key pieces, young talent, any valuable draft picks, and without compromising the 2010 cap space. How is that a bad thing? Sure, you can call it a bandage move. It's a good bandage move because it carries so little risk. Trying to discredit a trade based on deals they could "miss out on" is ridiculous. What better trade could Ben Wallace's expiring contract and Sasha Pavlovic really bring? Once again, you're trying to discredit the move by reaching for silly suggestions.

We'll see how this plays out in June and LeBron's free agency but don't say I didn't tell you guys a year in advance.

PS. Let's book a Mike Brown firing in as well. No coach has survived Shaq either.

Psssst. If the Cavs didn't make the Shaq trade, LeBron still could leave in free agency next summer. Not sure if you knew that or not. We'll just keep that between you and me.

P.S. Phil Jackson coached Shaq.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Shaq, at age 37, doesn't belong ANYWHERE at $20 million and as a #2 guy.

But that's not the point.....bottom line is Shaq at $20 million is better than ben Wallace at 14 million.

[Cry Havoc]

Shaq's 37 years old. Still old, but let's get his age right. Shaq doesn't have to dominate anymore. That's not what the Cavs are looking from him. The Cavs have LeBron and have another solid scorer in Mo Williams. They need Shaq to provide an inside presence on offense. He can still do that. No, he's not as dominant as he was even a few years ago, but he's still effective.

Last year, he averaged 18 ppg, 8 rpg on 61% FG shooting in 30 mpg. And, that's with playing with another high scoring big man next to him.

Shaq is obviously on the decline of his career, but that doesn't mean he can't help a team. And, once again, it goes back to what the Cavs had to give up to get him... expiring contracts and a second round pick (unless like DoK said, they didn't even give that up) and cash.





They won 66 games and they just traded for Shaq without giving up any key pieces, young talent, any valuable draft picks, and without compromising the 2010 cap space. How is that a bad thing? Sure, you can call it a bandage move. It's a good bandage move because it carries so little risk. Trying to discredit a trade based on deals they could "miss out on" is ridiculous. What better trade could Ben Wallace's expiring contract and Sasha Pavlovic really bring? Once again, you're trying to discredit the move by reaching for silly suggestions.




Psssst. If the Cavs didn't make the Shaq trade, LeBron still could leave in free agency next summer. Not sure if you knew that or not. We'll just keep that between you and me.

P.S. Phil Jackson coached Shaq.

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[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I would love for Wallace to denounce his retirement and force the Suns to pay him the full tilt.

He hasn't done anything yet.....and I hope this is true.


This is a rumor I don't believe at all but supposedly the Suns did this knowing they were going to trade Wallace for Chandler. I'm not holding my breath.

[Allanon]

Shaq's 37 years old. Still old, but let's get his age right.

I had it right in the first place, Shaq will be 38 in the Playoffs, as I had it correctly.

Shaq doesn't have to dominate anymore. That's not what the Cavs are looking from him. The Cavs have LeBron and have another solid scorer in Mo Williams. They need Shaq to provide an inside presence on offense. He can still do that. No, he's not as dominant as he was even a few years ago, but he's still effective.

For $20 million, he should be dominating, why else would you willingly pay $20 million?

Last year, he averaged 18 ppg, 8 rpg on 61% FG shooting in 30 mpg. And, that's with playing with another high scoring big man next to him.

He was 36 years old while doing the bulk of that. After he turned 37, he dropped even lower to 15 ppg and still at a high percentage. Shaq's stats are dropping and this is just the beginning.

What's Shaq going to average this year? 14 points?

Marc Gasol at $3 million a year put up 12 points and 7 rebounds in 30 minutes on 51% shooting. Marc Gasol will provide better production than Shaq this year for $17 million less. I don't see how paying $20 million to Shaq is a good thing.

Shaq is obviously on the decline of his career, but that doesn't mean he can't help a team. And, once again, it goes back to what the Cavs had to give up to get him... expiring contracts and a second round pick (unless like DoK said, they didn't even give that up) and cash.

Cavs gave up $20 million in salary that could have gone to a real player. Ferry just did an All or Nothing move.

They won 66 games and they just traded for Shaq without giving any key pieces. How is that a bad thing? Sure, you can call it a bandage move. It's a good bandage move because it carries so little risk. Trying to discredit a trade based on deals they could "miss out on" is ridiculous. What better trade could Ben Wallace's expiring contract and Sasha Pavlovic really bring? Once again, you're trying to discredit the move by reaching for silly suggestions.

Spurs just got Richard Jefferson for Kurt Thomas and Bruce Bowen. Nope, that wasn't a misprint. Kurt Fricken Thomas and old Man Bowen for 20PPG Richard Jefferson. Sure, that was a "silly" suggestion.

Psssst. If the Cavs didn't make the Shaq trade, LeBron still could leave in free agency next summer. Not sure if you knew that or not. We'll just keep that between you and me.

Psssst. The Cavs could have made a better long term trade or waited. There wasn't any clamoring for Shaq's services. Cavs could have waited for a better deal to come along.

It's one thing for LeBron to leave, but it's another thing to make LONG TERM moves that will help keep him. Bandages suck. But let's just keep that between you and me.

P.S. Phil Jackson coached Shaq.

P.S. Shaq left the Lakers in 2004. Phil Jackson left the Lakers in 2004.

[JoeTait75]

Psssst. The Cavs could have made a better long term trade or waited. There wasn't any clamoring for Shaq's services. Cavs could have waited for a better deal to come along.

Like what? As far as I know the only other deal they could have made was for Tyson Chandler, and that move carries a certain amount of risk too, with his injury situation. They can only do so much with the assets they have. Without premium draft picks or young talent, they don't have that many options.

[Allanon]

Like what? As far as I know the only other deal they could have made was for Tyson Chandler, and that move carries a certain amount of risk too, with his injury situation. They can only do so much with the assets they have. Without premium draft picks or young talent, they don't have that many options.

The Spurs just got Richard Jefferson for their trash. There are deals out there.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Shaq > Richard Jefferson

[Shaquille O'Neal]

I will tear up the East, all we have there is Dwight Howard and Al Horford, and I TEAR APART Dwight every time we match up and takes him to school, even now.

[Fpoonsie]

Howard: Cavs Got Shaq To Try And Stop Me

Dwight Howard was flattered by the Cavaliers acquisition of Shaquille O'Neal.

"Looks like Cleveland just traded for big Shaq in order to try and stop me next season," wrote Howard. "It’s good to see that the Magic are on the minds of some other teams now instead of it being the other way around. Maybe now after getting to the Finals the little ol’ Magic won’t be overlooked as much anymore.

"Those kinds of trades like the one Cleveland made just lets us know that we have to be better next season. Those teams are gunning for us and trying to get better, so we’ve got to do the same thing."

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[Allanon]

Shaq > Richard Jefferson

Not at age 38.

RJ's gonna get the Spurs to the WCF.

If this is the only Cavs move, they'll be out of the Playoffs the minute they face the Celtics or the Magic. And if Shaq starts whining, they're not even going to make the Playoffs.

[Bukefal]

[Thunder Dan]

do you guys think the Christmas day game will be Cavs vs. Lakers?

[Shaquille O'Neal]

I got Cavs winning 74 games next year

[Allanon]

But that's not the point.....bottom line is Shaq at $20 million is better than ben Wallace at 14 million.

For $20 million, they could have gotten Richard Jefferson ($13 million) and Ben Gordon ($7 million).

I'd take Jefferson and Gordon for Shaq any day.

[Indazone]

Guess this means Yao stays in Houston. So much for Thunderdan

[Thunder Dan]

Guess this means Yao stays in Houston. So much for Thunderdan

you mean thank god for thunderdan

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

For $20 million, they could have gotten Richard Jefferson ($13 million) and Ben Gordon ($7 million).

I'd take Jefferson and Gordon for Shaq any day.

Explain how Cleveland would get both of those.

[resistanze]

For $20 million, they could have gotten Richard Jefferson ($13 million) and Ben Gordon ($7 million).

I'd take Jefferson and Gordon for Shaq any day.

You're saying they could've traded Pavolic and Wallace for Ben Gordon and Jefferson?

[Thunder Dan]

both Gordon and Jefferson play in their division, you saying the Bulls and Bucks want to help the Cavs out?