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also, where is the need for Jefferson and Gordon on the Cavs? Their needs are: a tall wingman, center, and a PF who can stretch the floor
where does Ben Gordon fit in those?
Laker fans really scraping the bottom here for reasons this is bad...
Ben Gordon is the last player the Cavs need.
also, where is the need for Jefferson and Gordon on the Cavs? Their needs are: a tall wingman, center, and a PF who can stretch the floor
where does Ben Gordon fit in those?
Laker fans really scraping the bottom here for reasons this is bad...
They already have Ben Gordon....his name is Mo Williams.
Ben Gordon is basically Delonte West with a better shot and less defense
Cleveland could have gotten Jefferson by trading Wally Szerbiak. They still would have had Ben Wallace to offer another team.
Ben Gordon is also 3 inches taller...size matters. Delonte's a shooting guard in a PG body. If Delonte was 3 inches taller, the Cavs wouldn't have a problem in the back court.
LMAO, Wally isn't even under contract anymore
they are both 6'3. Fail
They're the exact same height.
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/delonte_west/index.html
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/ben_gordon/
My mistake. I misread the statement.
Not for a player on the last year of a contract, an older player close to the end. That's the bonus of the contract expiring. How do you not understand that? There are a lot of players that get paid a lot of money that don't live up to the last year of their contracts. Look at Allen Iverson and Stephon Marbury last year. Look at Jermaine O'Neal, Tracy McGrady. It happens. And, when you get a player who can still contribute but is being way overpaid, it's fine if his contract is expiring.For $20 million, he should be dominating, why else would you willingly pay $20 million?
After turning 37, Shaq played in 21 games for the Suns last year. He averaged 16.6 ppg, 7.4 rpg on 61.2% FG shooting. Yes, his numbers took a dip, especially the last couple weeks when it became evident the Suns were not going to be able to catch that no. 8 playoff seed.He was 36 years old while doing the bulk of that. After he turned 37, he dropped even lower to 15 ppg and still at a high percentage. Shaq's stats are dropping and this is just the beginning.
But, you have to consider what Shaq would be replacing. Zydrunas Ilgauskas averaged 10.5 ppg, 7.8 rpg on 44.9 FG% shooting in the playoffs. Which would you rather have? 17/7/60% FG with low post, inside scoring or 11/8/45% FG on mostly midrange jumpers from a 7-foot-3 center?
It's better than 10-12 points a game, and 60% is better than 45%, aren't they?What's Shaq going to average this year? 14 points?
If the Cavaliers could have traded for Marc Gasol for next to nothing, I think they would have. Paying $20 million for Shaq's production isn't a good thing. The fact it's an expiring contract is a good thing.Marc Gasol at $3 million a year put up 12 points and 7 rebounds in 30 minutes on 51% shooting. Marc Gasol will provide better production than Shaq this year for $17 million less. I don't see how paying $20 million to Shaq is a good thing.
Provide evidence that they could have made a better deal for Wallace and Pavlovic and I'll concede the point. The problem is that you can't provide any "real" evidence. It would be merely conjecture.Cavs gave up $20 million in salary that could have gone to a real player. Ferry just did an All or Nothing move.
The Cavaliers don't need Richard Jefferson. They have this young, up and coming player named LeBron James who plays small forward for them. Swing players are easier to acquire than big men. Not every day will a Pau Gasol or KG land in your lap for relatively little.Spurs just got Richard Jefferson for Kurt Thomas and Bruce Bowen. Nope, that wasn't a misprint. Kurt Fricken Thomas and old Man Bowen for 20PPG Richard Jefferson. Sure, that was a "silly" suggestion.
As stated, conjecture. No matter what move the Cavs could have made, there was always and still is the chance he leaves in free agency next summer.Psssst. The Cavs could have made a better long term trade or waited. There wasn't any clamoring for Shaq's services. Cavs could have waited for a better deal to come along.
That long term move that will keep him has to be available. Once again, you can't ensure that there was one out there to be had.It's one thing for LeBron to leave, but it's another thing to make LONG TERM moves that will help keep him. Bandages suck. But let's just keep that between you and me.
Phil Jackson wasn't fired. He left and it was his decision. And, he was welcomed back. Would you really like to argue that Phil Jackson didn't "survive Shaq?"P.S. Shaq left the Lakers in 2004. Phil Jackson left the Lakers in 2004.
Now allanon, explain how they could have traded someone who isn't under contract?
the Cavs could have traded Michael Jordan for Richard Jefferson
Ben Gordon being 3 inches taller than West can go in the fail quotes that Allanon has made over time.
Ah. Never mind Wally. How about Ben Wallace?
if they were smart, the Cavs should now trade Larry Hughes for T-Mac
*Waiting for "Here's to fail" gif*
You are correct, I thought Ben Gordon was 6'5, although Delonte says he's 6'2.
Why would they need another SF when they already have the best SF in the game?
Even if that was the case, where do you get 3 inches taller from? The same place you said Randolph has hit his ceiling from?
After that, Brad Daugherty and Larry Nance in exchange for KG.
Doesn't LeBron play Power Forward for the Cavs?
I was mistaken, I thought Gordon was 6'5. My mistake.
As for Randolph, he's still a roleplayer last I checked.
California is on the metric system
for 2 games vs the Magic
How old is he?
Oh.
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