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    I don’t want obamacare but if my company drops the plain we have than I will have no choice and that is the problem.
    to with your company plan. go get your own. or do you like this little dose of charity? because thats what it is, right? you understand that, don't you?

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    The young people on this board will never get it - and they're a big part of why we're in this mess. They're too young to remember what happened when the gov't got involved in other areas, so they think it's okay to let these plans have a chance.

    Us older people KNOW what happened in the past and are scared to death of Obamacare.

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    to with your company plan. go get your own. or do you like this little dose of charity? because thats what it is, right? you understand that, don't you?
    I pay for all of my employee's medical, dental, life and disability plans - and for most there dependents to participate in those that have that option. It IS NOT charity. They work for those benefits - and I earn a nice living and PROFIT from their work.

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    You don't give govt. programs a "shot". They never die. You bought it, you own it; FOREVER.
    Right. That's why I'm hoping to get a job with the CCC soon.

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    The young people on this board will never get it - and they're a big part of why we're in this mess. They're too young to remember what happened when the gov't got involved in other areas, so they think it's okay to let these plans have a chance.

    Us older people KNOW what happened in the past and are scared to death of Obamacare.
    What happened, very old woman?

    Tell us.

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    I pay for all of my employee's medical, dental, life and disability plans - and for most there dependents to participate in those that have that option. It IS NOT charity. They work for those benefits - and I earn a nice living and PROFIT from their work.
    so what. you don't know what kind of worker HE is. , he's online ing off right now.

    are you going to dump your employees insurance?

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    Right. That's why I'm hoping to get a job with the CCC soon.
    WWII happened - real work, not make work. Now, we have a defacto CCC - govt. at all levels has grown to the point that it made continuing the program redundant. Props to you, though. You had to go back to the depression era, but you found a govt. program that doesn't exist anymore.

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    so what. you don't know what kind of worker HE is. , he's online ing off right now.

    are you going to dump your employees insurance?

    I'm on line ing off right now - what kind of worker am I?

    Don't police my employees; if they get the job done, I could give two s how they spend their time.

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    to with your company plan. go get your own. or do you like this little dose of charity? because thats what it is, right? you understand that, don't you?
    You aren't the brightest fellow. Its not charity. Its a benefit, because healthy employees are productive employees, and it allows the company to remain compe ive. I guarantee you that as soon as it becomes cost effective to drop, the company will.

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    WWII happened - real work, not make work. Now, we have a defacto CCC - govt. at all levels has grown to the point that it made continuing the program redundant. Props to you, though. You had to go back to the depression era, but you found a govt. program that doesn't exist anymore.
    That's the first one that came to mind.

    There are probably others.

    Props to you for admitting you were wrong.

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    WWII happened - real work, not make work. Now, we have a defacto CCC - govt. at all levels has grown to the point that it made continuing the program redundant. Props to you, though. You had to go back to the depression era, but you found a govt. program that doesn't exist anymore.
    Yeah, it doesn't exist, we replaced it with welfare systems that allow people to not even provide any service to society and receive benefits. Hurray...

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    You aren't the brightest fellow. Its not charity. Its a benefit, because healthy employees are productive employees,
    Actually, some of my most productive employees are sick as ! Productive employees are productive employees. I've found there is no demographic that is universal. I provide the full boat package of benefits because it attracts very qualified employees - and at group rates I can provide them for much less than they would pay for those on an individually underwritten basis. It's symbiosis.

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    Props to you for admitting you were wrong.
    I always do.

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    You aren't the brightest fellow. Its not charity. Its a benefit, because healthy employees are productive employees, and it allows the company to remain compe ive. I guarantee you that as soon as it becomes cost effective to drop, the company will.
    It's becoming cost effective now since companies are already decreasing or dropping health care for their employees.

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    Actually, some of my most productive employees are sick as ! Productive employees are productive employees. I've found there is no demographic that is universal. I provide the full boat package of benefits because it attracts very qualified employees - and at group rates I can provide them for much less than they would pay for those on an individually underwritten basis. It's symbiosis.
    Out of curiosity, would you drop health care benefits if they were no longer required to be compe ive in attracting quality employees and retaining the ones you had?

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    It's becoming cost effective now since companies are already decreasing or dropping health care for their employees.
    Naturally, a surplus of labor allows that to happen.

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    It's becoming cost effective now since companies are already decreasing or dropping health care for their employees.
    None of my clients have dropped coverage for their employees, however, many have had to raise deductibles, etc.

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    Naturally, a surplus of labor allows that to happen.
    So what do those out of coverage do now?

    None of my clients have dropped coverage for their employees, however, many have had to raise deductibles, etc.
    Good for them. Doesn't mean it isn't happening elsewhere.

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    I'm on line ing off right now - what kind of worker am I?
    i own my businesses, too. part of OUR job is to surround OURSELVES with competent people. thats what they do that allows me to come online here after just getting back from a round of golf.

    Don't police my employees; if they get the job done, I could give two s how they spend their time.
    i didn't realize the guy I"M talking about is your employee.

    I"M GLAD that you will be paying for your employees and their extended families insurance regardless of what happens.

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    Out of curiosity, would you drop health care benefits if they were no longer required to be compe ive in attracting quality employees and retaining the ones you had?
    I would assume that is because health care is being provided somewhere else? The government probably. If it was not helping me to attract and retain employees, then there must be something else out there that IS attracting them; higher salary, private massages, whatever. Whatever the market (employees) were demanding is what I would provide - otherwise I'd be a fool.

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    It's becoming cost effective now since companies are already decreasing or dropping health care for their employees.
    exactly!!!!!!!!!!!

    some people aren't bright enough to understand that.
    Last edited by clambake; 06-25-2009 at 03:33 PM. Reason: grammar murder.

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    So what do those out of coverage do now?
    I don't know and I don't care on a political level.

    On an individual level, I will care for me and mine to the extent of my abilities. If I can't, I would go to my friends, family, neighbors and church, and ask them for help. Who better to help than those who know us best?

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    i didn't realize the guy I"M talking about is your employee.
    If he is, I promise you he is:

    1. Very good at what he does.

    2. Caught up on his work.

    3. Paid well.

    He can also go back to the kitchen and grab a beer, relax and drink it (something else I provide), then go home.

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    I would assume that is because health care is being provided somewhere else? The government probably. If it was not helping me to attract and retain employees, then there must be something else out there that IS attracting them; higher salary, private massages, whatever. Whatever the market (employees) were demanding is what I would provide - otherwise I'd be a fool.
    Exactly, which is why this government provided "volunteer" health care system will quickly become THE healthcare system.

    BTW, have any of yall ever used military healthcare providers? Because as far as I know, thats the best example of the quality of care the gov't can provide, and last I heard, it was utterly terrible.

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    I don't know and I don't care on a political level.

    On an individual level, I will care for me and mine to the extent of my abilities. If I can't, I would go to my friends, family, neighbors and church, and ask them for help. Who better to help than those who know us best?
    So if you get cancer and are uninsured, your friends and church will cover all the costs.

    Who better?

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