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[QUOTE=Allanon;3490718]So you are saying 82 Games and ESPN are wrong and you are right. That's all I wanted to know.
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that's exactly what I'm saying. I saw it all with my own eyes. Lebron hardly ever played PF until the Magic series.
right, that doesn't change the fact that the Cavs can go above the cap to sign James and the Knicks can't, thus leaving 1 Max contract to spend for each.
[QUOTE=Allanon;3490718]So you are saying 82 Games and ESPN are wrong and you are right. That's all I wanted to know.
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that's exactly what I'm saying. I saw it all with my own eyes. Lebron hardly ever played PF until the Magic series.
Oh no, I'm not referring to you. We're just discussing. Me and Dirk4MVP go way back. He got butthurt awhile back over something, I forgot
Who knows what they could have gotten with $7 million more salary leeway. The Spurs were able to turn KT & Bowen into Richard Jefferson.Again, you make a suggestion that cannot be supported. Who were the Cavs going to get by trading Sasha Pavlovic's $4.9 million salary? Would it really have been a quality player? Are there teams desperately waiting in line to try to help out the Cavaliers keep LeBron James? Please let me know.
In a couple of months, we'll see what other teams get and come Playoffs we'll see how this trade stacks up.
Neither of us can be right or wrong right now, we'll have to see how it plays out. I'm cool with waiting it out til then to see who was right and who was wrong.
The thing is there is nothing that will happen short of LeBron and Shaq winning a championship next season that will prove who's right or wrong. If Shaq becomes a cancer and it doesn't work out, it doesn't mean it was a bad trade. They just let him walk and take the cap space. And, other players getting traded on the cheap doesn't mean the Cavs could have gotten those players instead. There are GMs in the league that won't help certain teams. Do you think teams want to help Cleveland become le contenders and increase their chances to keep LeBron? No, they don't. Even this Shaq trade is too generous but Kerr has a good relationship with Ferry. If it weren't Kerr, I don't think the deal goes down.
If the Cavs win a Championship, obviously, it was a great trade. If Shaq starts whining, it was a bad trade. If the Rockets trade Yao for Sasha Vujacic, the Cavs/Shaq trade was bad. If Shaq puts up 13 points like he did in Miami, it was a bad trade. If Shaq only plays 30 games, it was a bad trade. Etc, etc.
Bucks just made the Spurs a legit contender again, for dirt cheap.Do you think teams want to help Cleveland become le contenders and increase their chances to keep LeBron? No, they don't. Even this Shaq trade is too generous but Kerr has a good relationship with Ferry. If it weren't Kerr, I don't think the deal goes down.
I just saw the Amare to Warriors trade. The Cavs chose the Shaq deal instead of going for Amare? Wow.
Simply disagree. There is no evidence that there were better alternatives to improve the Cavs. Unless that is proven, it's a trade that was worth any negative "risks" you suggest. If the Cavs could have gotten Tim Duncan for Ben Wallace and Pavlovic, it was a bad trade. But, short of proving they had a better offer, it's a good trade for what they gave up and worth any potential problems there might be with Shaq.
LeBron James. He's kind of a superstar who's going to be a free agent next summer. Teams kind of want him to explore his options and not stay in Cleveland. The Spurs are a great team that looks like it's ending their le run. Still a great move for the Spurs and it does improve their team a lot, but it's not a similar situation.Bucks just made the Spurs a legit contender again, for dirt cheap.
The Cavs don't have a young starting center and the #7 pick to offer the Suns. Allanon, you need to just drop this and stop.
Allanon should be a GM, he seems to have the whole NBA figured out. He figures out how to turn a 6'2 player into a 6'5 player, how to trade guys who aren't even on your team, who to trade for, and what a team needs to win a championship. I'd hire him for my team
Amare was available to the right price. Obviously the Cavs didn't offer the price. Jamstone, you just need to stop following me around.
The Cavs didn't offer the price? The Cavs didn't have the price and couldn't offer the price. They don't even have a first round pick in this year's draft. They can't even trade next year's first round draft pick yet. They don't have a young starting caliber center under contract for several years to offer. Come on. As if you haven't already been, but now you're getting ridiculous.
Ownage.
If they Cavs really wanted Amare they could have gotten him by offering the Suns Kevin Garnett and Ben Wallace
How do we know there weren't better alternatives?
The Spurs just got another shot in the arm and became a contender again. You don't have a point...teams make deals to help themselves. Usually they keep it out of conference; that's about it.LeBron James. He's kind of a superstar who's going to be a free agent next summer. Teams kind of want him to explore his options and not stay in Cleveland. The Spurs are a great team that looks like it's ending their le run. Still a great move for the Spurs and it does improve their team a lot, but it's not a similar situation.
Ah, and you figured out LeBron has only played 2 times at Power Forward. Just Great.
I'd hire you to keep statistics for the team.
http://www.82games.com/0809/0809CLE2.HTM
ESPN: "seven of the Cavs' most-used lineups feature LBJ at the 4"
no offense, but I think Danny Ferry has a better idea of what is right for the Cavs and who is available than you do.
How many times did they say he played point guard when Mo Williams and West were on the floor and he brought the ball up? sameAh, and you figured out LeBron has only played 2 times at Power Forward. Just Great.
I'd hire you to keep statistics for the team.
We don't. But you have suggested there are and will be. You can't prove that either. Unless there is hard evidence that there was a better trade the Cavs could have made, you assume this was the best trade the Cavs felt they could make.
Again, show the trades the Cavs could have made that are better than the Shaq trade, and I will concede the point. You can't.The Spurs just got another shot in the arm and became a contender again. You don't have a point...teams make deals to help themselves. Usually they keep it out of conference; that's about it.
That's why I said neither of us can prove right or wrong. We'll have to wait it out. There are no wins here.
No need to concede your point. I can't prove my point. You can't prove your point either. We won't know until the end of the year how good this trade was.Again, show the trades the Cavs could have made that are better than the Shaq trade, and I will concede the point. You can't.
What does this have to do with you saying LeBron James has only played 2 games as a Power Forward?
You're obviously wrong and too stubborn to admit you FAILed.
You are a waste of typing, argue with yourself because I'm not wasting more time with you.
82 Games clearly shows you are wrong. ESPN clearly states that seven of their most used lineups feature LeBron at the 4.
http://www.82games.com/0809/0809CLE2.HTM
Playing him "at the 4" doesn't mean he was playing in the actual game like a power forward would play. This invalidates your point about what the Cavs need. LeBron isn't a PF, therefore he doesn't fill the role as a PF on the team, no matter if he plays there or not.
If LeBron isn't playing the Power Foward who is?
Gibson-West-Szczerbiak-James-Varejao
Who will guard Pau Gasol, who will guard Bynum?
Allanon, I'm not arguing anymore. I think even you don't believe your own bull at this point. Let's call it a truce
Thanks for supporting the statement I just made. James at the four does not give the Cavs a legitimate power forward to play in the lineup. You just agreed with everyone who's been arguing against you in this thread.
LeBron played the C spot against David West this year too. But why would a C guard Chris Paul as well?
Allanon LeBron played SF in those lineups with Wally at PF. Wally got torched by Leon Powe one time and LeBron was guarding Pierce. Naww LBJ is the PF but.
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