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    The cap and tax bill has past - just barely. And 8 stupid republicans voted yes. All of them will be out of a job when they come up for re-election!

    I cannot believe this bill passed - this is going to kill our country. They estimate it will cost 2 MILLION jobs a year!!!!! Pelosi - that spiteful - had a 300 page amendment added in the middle of the night - so AGAIN - no one has read the bill they just voted for.

    God this makes me so angry - and yet very, very sad for this once great country. It's a sad, sad day for all Americans.

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    The cap and tax bill has past - just barely. And 8 stupid republicans voted yes. All of them will be out of a job when they come up for re-election!

    I cannot believe this bill passed - this is going to kill our country. They estimate it will cost 2 MILLION jobs a year!!!!! Pelosi - that spiteful - had a 300 page amendment added in the middle of the night - so AGAIN - no one has read the bill they just voted for.

    God this makes me so angry - and yet very, very sad for this once great country. It's a sad, sad day for all Americans.
    Now we need to work on the senators.

    Did you follow up on the link I posted to find contact information for your representative, and call, to voice your opinion?

    If not you have no right to complain!

    Law is made by those who choose to show up, or make their voice heard.

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    2.3 million jobs lost per year, actually...

    And we are all subject now to California home building codes, right down to the number of electric outlets you can have in a room.

    Oh, and for all your liberal homeowners out there reading this, you will have to bring your home up to the magical Kali energy star specs before you can sell your home. No ing now...

    Dems just put the gun to the head of the American economy and pulled the trigger until the mag was empty

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    Just on principle, eat , wrongies, and GFY.

    8 years of Repug misrule, criminality, and $Ts wasted in phony wars are much bigger, will last for decades, than cap and trade (not that I think cap and trade will have much impact one way or the other).

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    Just on principle, eat , wrongies, and GFY.

    8 years of Repug misrule, criminality, and $Ts wasted in phony wars are much bigger, will last for decades, than cap and trade (not that I think cap and trade will have much impact one way or the other).
    I am so sick of this religion of the demoncraps. You have some serious dogma issues.
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    boutons - you are such a tool! Take some time to find out what's in this bill and then get back to us you idiot!

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    why don't you just tell us whats in it?

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    2.3 million jobs lost per year, actually...
    holy cow! geez, can you show us that? i'd be interested in seeing that!

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    come on guys, hurry. i got get packed for our vacation.

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    ok, so let me get this bookmarked.

    on june 26th 2010, there will be 2.3 million jobs lost because of this bill?

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    Just on principle, eat , wrongies, and GFY.

    8 years of Repug misrule, criminality, and $Ts wasted in phony wars are much bigger, will last for decades, than cap and trade (not that I think cap and trade will have much impact one way or the other).
    This bill is horrible. I obviously believe the same Repubs denouncing this would equally defend it if the shoe was on the other foot, that trivial difference does not change the fact that this bill is a game killer (in the long run).

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    how is that DR?

    what part of this bill is a game killer?

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    how is that DR?

    what part of this bill is a game killer?
    Youve read the same material I have. The projections about cost to consumers is based on imaginary numbers 11 years from now.

    Beyond that, look at what this does! It creates a new means for the government to make money (selling tickets) and the private financial sector to make money (buying/selling/trading based on demand), all on the backs of the consumer. The energy companies are just going to pass this cost onto us, period.

    Unless of course you have some delusion that the American energy infrastructure is going to rapidly change in the next 11 years. Or at least enough to offset the sheer amount of coal and oil we as a country consume.

    Moreover, energy requirements/usage do not decrease over time, contrary to the bull people are spewing these days. If anything, history shows a rapid, exponential increase in consumption.

    These ing crooks have NO intention of curbing the American appe e, clambake. They plan on reaping profit from it, thats ing that. The fact that our government is complicit should send a chill down the spine of anyone who has one.

    Heres why; if the government was sooooo interested in actually affecting some sort of change to our energy vista, they'd mandate that X% of energy be created by acceptable means (wind, solar, hydro, geothermal, wtfever) in incremental steps upward over Y period of time. Its not like the government hasnt set precedent recently about their ability to meddle in private industry and one could even argue that if there was even one reasonable industry for the government to be heavily involved in, it would be energy.

    No. Instead the government ins utes an indirect tax by way of tradeable tickets among a private industry that will be declaring financial war for them. Artificial product with an artificial demand at an artificial price. Worst part, we'll be paying genuine article money for it.

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    they crawl out of their little holes like roaches after bush leaves.

    Why do we even give credence to their posts? They are as irrelevant as the minority parties now

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    they crawl out of their little holes like roaches after bush leaves.

    Why do we even give credence to their posts? They are as irrelevant as the minority parties now
    Who is "they" and what person has "crawled" into this thread that isnt an established poster?

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    I hope the bear eats every ing one of the weak in this country while I continue to outrun them.

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    In conclusion, this bill only reinforces the suggestion that this government no longer has any limits to which it will finance itself through way of extortion of its people. This bill is lawyered up in hyperbole and completely ineffective to its supposed goal.

    Its quite literally a giant lie. A lie used in the extortion of us. Its delayed on purpose, it absolves blame and creates a giant ing freeway-sized hole for future government to exploit as our spending continues to climb.

    I cant ing believe I am the only moderate or Dem or wtfever to stand alone on this. This is not partisan, this is some other abomination that should offend the very fabric of any American, IMO.

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    they crawl out of their little holes like roaches after bush leaves.

    Why do we even give credence to their posts? They are as irrelevant as the minority parties now
    tell me how this will benefit you? put down the obama pom poms and tell me how this will benefit you? how in the will this help this supposed global "warming" "issue". are other countries bound by this? no. kinda like pissing in the wind and the piss will be mine and your hard earned wages. the R and the D by your little registration card doesn't mean one damn thing. kinda like where the cons ution is headed.

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    I cant ing believe I am the only moderate or Dem or wtfever to stand alone on this. This is not partisan, this is some other abomination that should offend the very fabric of any American, IMO.

    you only need a frickin' brain to see that this bill is just an all out extension of government into everyones lives with a held out hand waiting for the payoff. every member of the house that voted for this should be voted out of office. OH WAIT!!! how partisan of me!!

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    ok, so let me get this bookmarked.

    on june 26th 2010, there will be 2.3 million jobs lost because of this bill?
    we've lost about a million or so in about 6 months so this really isn't far fetched.

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    DR, frankly, i've never seen you more paranoid than right now.

    if everything you suggest happens, then, finally, this country will have it's bastille moment.

    a few days ago, this is the exact scenario you were wishing for.

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    we've lost about a million or so in about 6 months so this really isn't far fetched.
    i see that you've already helped someone back off the claim of 2.3 million because of this bill.

    let aggie handle his claim.

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    The cap and tax bill has past - just barely. And 8 stupid republicans voted yes. All of them will be out of a job when they come up for re-election!

    I cannot believe this bill passed - this is going to kill our country. They estimate it will cost 2 MILLION jobs a year!!!!! Pelosi - that spiteful - had a 300 page amendment added in the middle of the night - so AGAIN - no one has read the bill they just voted for.

    God this makes me so angry - and yet very, very sad for this once great country. It's a sad, sad day for all Americans.
    all of these dudes voted yes. get there ass out. sorry to break away from my supposed "partisan hackery".


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    Youve read the same material I have. The projections about cost to consumers is based on imaginary numbers 11 years from now.

    Beyond that, look at what this does! It creates a new means for the government to make money (selling tickets) and the private financial sector to make money (buying/selling/trading based on demand), all on the backs of the consumer. The energy companies are just going to pass this cost onto us, period.

    Unless of course you have some delusion that the American energy infrastructure is going to rapidly change in the next 11 years. Or at least enough to offset the sheer amount of coal and oil we as a country consume.

    Moreover, energy requirements/usage do not decrease over time, contrary to the bull people are spewing these days. If anything, history shows a rapid, exponential increase in consumption.

    These ing crooks have NO intention of curbing the American appe e, clambake. They plan on reaping profit from it, thats ing that. The fact that our government is complicit should send a chill down the spine of anyone who has one.

    Heres why; if the government was sooooo interested in actually affecting some sort of change to our energy vista, they'd mandate that X% of energy be created by acceptable means (wind, solar, hydro, geothermal, wtfever) in incremental steps upward over Y period of time. Its not like the government hasnt set precedent recently about their ability to meddle in private industry and one could even argue that if there was even one reasonable industry for the government to be heavily involved in, it would be energy.

    No. Instead the government ins utes an indirect tax by way of tradeable tickets among a private industry that will be declaring financial war for them. Artificial product with an artificial demand at an artificial price. Worst part, we'll be paying genuine article money for it.

    Great post, and the part I bolded is beyond that.

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    The little boy who cried wolf just ed our country. Un ing real. The chicken littles won this one.

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