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    Under the current structure, "good" international players can actually sign a guaranteed deal for more $$$ if selected in the 2nd than a similar such player selected in the 1st round. Definitely an issue to reconcile in the 2010 talks.

    As for the Rubio situation, the idiots in the Wolves front office are largely to blame IMO. Why the F do you draft two PGs consecutively? The last thing Rubio wants is to compete for the post.
    if this guy cant compete for a roster spot, then he is plain simple .

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    I bet its Rubio posturing to get traded to a New York. There was rumors out there last night of him getting traded to the Knicks, that apparently has died off.

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    I'll give you another example. I've read several comments from Gortat's agent that he might "be open" to going back to Europe next season. That's because he'll make something like $800K if he stays in the NBA, and he can get more from a Euro team. He can just walk away, with no cost to himself and no recourse for the team, as long as he is going to any non-NBA team. And Euro teams almost always put big buy-out clauses in their contracts for players that want to go elsewhere. But my understanding is that NBA teams aren't even allowed to put similar buy-out clauses in to discourage players from leaving for a Euro team.
    Buyout clauses are for players who are still under contract with their team. When a player is a FA in Europe, he doesn't have a buyout clause and can leave his team with "no recourse for the team".
    NBA contracts not having buyouts makes it more difficult for NBA players to leave the NBA than for Euro players to leave the Europe.

    Maybe the Spurs are in the driver's seat with DeColo. But they sure as weren't with Splitter. I'm sure that there is a lot that American fans just don't understand about all of this. But I know that what we are seeing is teams giving up draft picks for very risky returns.
    For each player, it's a different situation. When a NBA team draft an Euro, they had to do their work to know his wishes and his contract situation.

    Spurs have learned it the hard way with Splitter. After that, they hired a Spanish GM (Antonio Maceiras) to have someone in the know with all the contracts details. He left the team few weeks ago to be Real Madrid GM. I don't know if Spurs have hired someone else but I'm sure they have learned a lot from him during this past year.

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    I really respect your knowledge of the game and the salary rules, Bruno, but I think you missed my point. I'm not talking about FA's. Look at the Gortat situation, for example:

    Orlando has a team option on Gortat for next season. Assuming Orlando exercises their option, Gortat can't go play for another NBA team, unless Orlando agrees to a trade. But he can leave tomorrow to play in Europe or elsewhere, and Miami would receive no compensation.
    Gortat is a FA this summer. Orlando hasn't a team option on him.

    Scola is a different example. He could have come to play for the Spurs at any time, but he would have owed Tau a large buyout amount. Now he is under contract to Houston, and he can't simply go play for another NBA team. But he could go back to Tau tomorrow, and the Rockets would get nothing - because NBA teams aren't allowed to have the same kind of buyout clauses that Tau used to keep him in Spain.
    No, Scola can't leave for Europe this summer.
    The NBA and the FIBA have agreements and NBA contracts are recognized by the FIBA.

    If Scola sign for next year with a team in Europe, his contract will be send to FIBA's offices to be validated. FIBA will notice that he is still under contract with Houston and will void his new contract. Scola and his agent will face sanctions.

    A NBA player can't leave the NBA in the middle of his contract to sign in Europe.

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    Gortat is a FA this summer. Orlando hasn't a team option on him.

    No, Scola can't leave for Europe this summer.
    The NBA and the FIBA have agreements and NBA contracts are recognized by the FIBA.

    If Scola sign for next year with a team in Europe, his contract will be send to FIBA's offices to be validated. FIBA will notice that he is still under contract with Houston and will void his new contract. Scola and his agent will face sanctions.

    A NBA player can't leave the NBA in the middle of his contract to sign in Europe.
    Thanks for the corrections. There's always plenty of bad information out there. (The main article about Gortat was just wrong. I can see that he's just a restricted FA, which changes everything.) As always, it's nice to have a trustworthy source.

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    Google translation but it looks like Nando may play in the Spurs Summer League before the decision is made final with Pamesa. The July 12 date is curious, because that is the day of the 1st Spurs' SL game. LV Summer League for the Spurs ends July 19.

    http://www.sport365.fr/basket-hand-v...-avec-TP.shtml



    Même s'il se dit un peu déçu de ne pas avoir été drafté au premier tour (qui lui aurait offert un contrat garanti de trois ans), le jeune international tricolore est ravi d'atterrir à San Antonio : « J'aurais préféré être pris au premier tour mais je suis content d'être dans une franchise aussi bonne et aussi sérieuse que San Antonio », a réagi l'arrière français selon des propos rapportés par l'Agence France Presse et ralayés sur le site officiel de Cholet. Néanmoins, De Colo attend de connaître la position exacte des Spurs. « Maintenant on va voir ce qu'ils me proposent. (Gregg) Popovich (Ndlr : entraîneur de San Antonio) m'a dit lors de mon essai qu'il aimait bien mon jeu à l'Européenne et Tony (Parker) m'avait dit que j'avais été bon également. Je pense pouvoir apporter du scoring à cette équipe. » Après les Ligues d'été, une décision devrait être prise dans la première quinzaine de juillet, les Valencians se donnant jusqu'au 12 juillet pour obtenir une réponse.

    Even if he said a little disappointed not to have been first-round draft (which would have offered him a guaranteed contract for three years), the light youth international is delighted to land in San Antonio: "I would rather be taken in the first round but I'm happy to be in a franchise as good and as seriously as San Antonio, responded back in a french connection reported by Agence France Presse and ralayés on the official site of Cholet. However, De Colo expects to know the exact position of the Spurs. "Now we'll see what they offer me. (Gregg) Popovich (Editor's note: San Antonio coach) told me during my test that I loved the European game and Tony (Parker) told me that I was good too. I think I can bring to this team scoring. "After the summer leagues, a decision should be taken in the first half of July, giving the Valencians until July 12 for a response.
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    Après les Ligues d'été, une décision devrait être prise dans la première quinzaine de juillet, les Valencians se donnant jusqu'au 12 juillet pour obtenir une réponse.
    Yes, it says Valencia is ready to wait until the 12th of july before nando has to give an answer.

    The beginning of the sentence says : after the summer leagues, a decision will be made.

    It kind of implies he would play them. It could also mean the spurs are waiting to know more about their prospects playing in summer league before comiting to nando

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    De Colo won't play SL if he doesn't get a guaranteed contract from Spurs.
    The July 12th date has been chosen because it's the start of French NT campaign this year.

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    De Colo won't play SL if he doesn't get a guaranteed contract from Spurs.
    The July 12th date has been chosen because it's the start of French NT campaign this year.
    It doesn't make too much sense to me to play in Summer League if NT practices start July 12th. Spurs need a backup PG but I think that player should be a veteran of NBA games. Unless the Spurs want to continue to use Hill as a 2, Nando would get more experience playing for Spehija in Valencia for a year.

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    It doesn't make too much sense to me to play in Summer League if NT practices start July 12th. Spurs need a backup PG but I think that player should be a veteran of NBA games. Unless the Spurs want to continue to use Hill as a 2, Nando would get more experience playing for Spehija in Valencia for a year.
    It's almost sure that Nando will play in Spain next year. One more year in Europe playing in the best domestic league should be quite positive for him.

    If he had a good year in Spain, Spurs could sign him during the 2010 summer. IMO, if he makes it in the NBA, it will be as a SG.

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    It probably makes the most sense for him to go to Europe for a year or two. De Colo still needs to improve his skill level if he wants to make it in the NBA. This past season, he was pretty average for a lot of the year. He started well and ended pretty well but he went through an uninspiring stretch.

    Bruno, does it look like De Colo will be starting at SG for the NT? And do you know if France's games will be shown via the internet? Thanks.

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    Bruno, does it look like De Colo will be starting at SG for the NT? And do you know if France's games will be shown via the internet? Thanks.
    Pietrus should be the starting SG but he is questionable for the NT with a wrist injury. Magic's medical staff should give an answer about Pietrus availability in few days. If he is out, Nando should be the starting SG.

    AFAIK, there won't be official stream on the internet but some games should be available more or less legally.

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    Pietrus should be the starting SG but he is questionable for the NT with a wrist injury. Magic's medical staff should give an answer about Pietrus availability in few days. If he is out, Nando should be the starting SG.

    AFAIK, there won't be official stream on the internet but some games should be available more or less legally.
    I have a gut feeling pietrus will not make it and nando will start at SG. I am curious about the look of the french team that will take court for the qualifier

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    I have a gut feeling pietrus will not make it and nando will start at SG. I am curious about the look of the french team that will take court for the qualifier
    Agreed, could be sumwhat of a precursor to the Spurs future backcourt if Pietrus and the Magic decide its not in his best interest to play for the NT. So, maybe we'll get to c the Parker/de Colo backcourt sooner than expected

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    I have a gut feeling pietrus will not make it and nando will start at SG. I am curious about the look of the french team that will take court for the qualifier
    Agree. Collet (French NT coach) was quite pessimistic about Pietrus.

    So, maybe we'll get to c the Parker/de Colo backcourt sooner than expected
    Parker/De Colo was last summer French NT backcourt.

    BTW, a little anecdote: when TP was a kid, he was coached by Nando's parents during basketball summer camps.

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    Agreed, could be sumwhat of a precursor to the Spurs future backcourt if Pietrus and the Magic decide its not in his best interest to play for the NT. So, maybe we'll get to c the Parker/de Colo backcourt sooner than expected
    we've already seen it in the past. not so bad, even if the team failed.

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    Agreed, could be sumwhat of a precursor to the Spurs future backcourt if Pietrus and the Magic decide its not in his best interest to play for the NT. So, maybe we'll get to c the Parker/de Colo backcourt sooner than expected
    RC said in his post draft interview that tony gave his stamp of approval on Nando. and Bruno must have mentioned it before but last summer when they played together, I think i remember tony saying he was impressed with Nando and he had great potential and it was fun playing with him.

    The french triangle: TP Nando Ian

    plus now that oberto is gone... Argentina can not compete with us anymore

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    12, huh...

    We're not going to have another Manu situation if or when he comes over, are we?

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    de Colo is more athletic, smoother than Tony, and has better shot form than Tony now, and has better court vision and passing than Tony did at de Colo's age.

    He slower, but well under control and patient.

    I say let him battle for b/u pg with Hill. NdC is certainly more worth keeping and playing as 3rd pg at worst.

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    I don't know if any of you read Ricky Rubio's comments in the Spanish papers, but I'm starting to think that the traditional draft doesn't work for players who have played ball in Europe. They hold all the cards. It doesn't cost them anything to declare for the draft, and they have no personal stake in the game. [Edit: Rubio said, "I wouldn't rule out at all returning to Spain" and "... we'll see if I come over next year or not. Think about what the T-Wolves gave up with the 4th pick, if he stiffs them. Didn't a 29 pick sell for $3 Million cash last night?]

    At 53, we didn't give up much, but I thought he was one of the ones who commented that he didn't want to play unless he went in the first round and got a guaranteed contract. So the good players like Splitter you can't draft in the first round, because rookie scale isn't enough. And the riskier ones like De Colon you can't draft in the second round because they want the guaranteed contract that a first round pick gets.

    I just don't think the existing NBA salary and draft rules are set up to properly address the realities of the European player market. The American teams and players have all kinds of restrictions, but the Europeans have none. Stern needs to take some measures to level the playing field. I would hate to be making decisions for an NBA club with all the uncertainties that come with drafting overseas. And from the players' standpoint, I would be pissed if I got drafted 31st, and a couple of European players decided not to take their guaranteed 1st round contracts.
    Unless the other league's just decide to bow to the superiority of the NBA, there's really no good way around it. If you just allowed every Euro to be a free agent, they'd still be able to use playing abroad as leverage.

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    If he had a good year in Spain, Spurs could sign him during the 2010 summer. IMO, if he makes it in the NBA, it will be as a SG.
    SG? Why's that? I thought his greatest asset was his ball handling, court vision and passing.

    BTW, a little anecdote: when TP was a kid, he was coached by Nando's parents during basketball summer camps.
    Very cool, at least chemistry shouldn't be a problem should he come I assume.

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    SG? Why's that? I thought his greatest asset was his ball handling, court vision and passing.
    Yes, they are but it isn't enough to be a PG. Nando is too slow and turnover prone to be a full time PG in the NBA.

    The reaction of Christian Monschau (a french coach who knows quite well Spurs because of Mahinmi) about Spurs' drafting Nando:
    "De Colo, It's a less athletic Ginobili with a better shoot. He can create a lot of things in the clutch time. He is a smooth player and Spurs are also able to notice that. Knowing them, I'm not surprised that they have drafted him. He has the kind of court vision that they really like there."

    http://www.lavoixdessports.com/Sport...erte-ver.shtml

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    Yes, they are but it isn't enough to be a PG. Nando is too slow and turnover prone to be a full time PG in the NBA.

    The reaction of Christian Monschau (a french coach who knows quite well Spurs because of Mahinmi) about Spurs' drafting Nando:
    "De Colo, It's a less athletic Ginobili with a better shoot. He can create a lot of things in the clutch time. He is a smooth player and Spurs are also able to notice that. Knowing them, I'm not surprised that they have drafted him. He has the kind of court vision that they really like there."

    http://www.lavoixdessports.com/Sport...erte-ver.shtml
    I agree that PG will not be his full time position but I can see pop letting him run the offense (ala mason jr) if needed.

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    do you know if France's games will be shown via the internet? Thanks.
    I believe Eurobasket 2007 had a video pass for $20 which allowed all the games to be watched live or archived. It was through MediaZone.

    Maybe the same this year?

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    The way RC was talking he basically made it clear that there was no chance for De Colo to be on the roster this year. I wonder if De Colo will attend the Spurs mini-camp to prepare for the summer league the first week of July. Maybe they'll find it in their best interests to sign him then.

    The landscape has changed, why leave players overseas and run the risk of Splittering? De Colo's going to the ACB, if he does great there they can make it worth his while to stay.

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