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M. Finley clearly outperformed R. Mason in the playoff.
009 Spurs Playoffs Statistics
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PLAYER AVERAGES
REBOUNDS
Player G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF TOT APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
Tony Parker 5 5 36.2 .546 .214 .710 .20 4.00 4.20 6.8 1.20 .20 4.20 2.60 28.6
Tim Duncan 5 5 32.8 .532 .000 .607 2.40 5.60 8.00 3.2 .60 1.20 1.40 2.20 19.8
Michael Finley 5 5 28.6 .441 .467 .750 .60 2.40 3.00 1.0 .20 .20 .80 1.60 8.0
Drew Gooden 4 0 17.8 .333 .000 1.000 1.30 2.50 3.80 .3 .25 .25 .75 3.30 7.3
Roger Mason 5 3 21.6 .375 .368 .667 .00 1.60 1.60 1.8 .20 .00 .80 2.00 6.6
Fabricio Oberto 2 0 11.0 .667 .000 1.000 1.00 1.00 2.00 .0 1.00 .00 1.00 1.00 6.0
George Hill 4 0 19.0 .333 .375 .857 .80 1.30 2.00 .5 .50 .25 .50 1.50 5.8
Bruce Bowen 5 2 26.0 .538 .556 1.000 .00 3.00 3.00 .6 .60 .00 .60 2.00 4.2
Jacque Vaughn 2 0 10.5 .400 .000 .500 .00 .00 .00 2.0 .50 .00 .00 .00 3.5
Ime Udoka 5 0 20.8 .350 .125 .400 1.60 3.00 4.60 .8 .80 .20 .40 2.80 3.4
Matt Bonner 5 5 20.0 .217 .231 1.000 1.20 2.00 3.20 .0 .60 .40 .40 2.00 3.0
Kurt Thomas 5 0 16.0 .455 .000 .750 .80 3.80 4.60 .4 .20 .40 .80 2.60 2.6
Team Averages 5 0 240.0 .457 .330 .709 8.8 28.8 37.6 16.0 5.6 3.0 11.0 22.0 90.4
Opponents 5 0 240.0 .463 .382 .842 8.8 32.6 41.4 17.2 7.2 4.6 11.6 18.6 96.4
created: 06/14/2009,11:50 PM
M. Finley clearly outperformed R. Mason in the playoff.
That would be great in theory but have you forgotten how un-productive Finley is when coming off the bench? Finley has already shown us that he needs to be warm,and he does not have the ability to come in and shoot while cold. I would rather see his (spot) being used to have Bowen back or even used to try to develop a prospect such as maybe Hairston. Finley is a Class-A professional but at this stage he would do nothing but stunt the growth and direction this team needs to go.
To be honest I think that he will ask Pop if he wants him back and if he thinks he can help. If Pop says "Yes" then he stays and if he says "No" then he probably moves on.
Either way my main concern is not him but on finding us a freakin center. The only reason I would be OK for him to go is if we could use his salary to get some experience players like Sheed or Gorat and Herman..
Yeah that whole me saying I don't want him on the team is reallllly good evidence of that you brain dead ing idiot.
Heck there is a good chance he comes back for the ring. The odds just went up considerably with Jefferson, Blair and hopefully another vet big.
Bottom line is he's not going to pass up another opportunity to win a Championship. Who would?
I would just like to see some sort of evidence Finley can be effective or, "more efficient" in a limited role.
Exactly when and where did this happen? When did it even come close to happening? Finley has completely sucked in a limited role as a Spur and it's also a trend in his career...his best years were the years he lead the NBA in minutes played.
Finley is the an hesis of an efficient player, it's exactly the opposite of what he is. He takes a lot of shots, he plays a lot of minutes, that is Michael Finley.
This is what you call saying something without really looking to see if there is any validity to what you are saying, and if you are saying Finley should be more efficient in a reduced role, there is absolutely no validity to what you are saying.
I don't see Finley as being the type of guy who just wants to sit on a contender's bench hoping to just luck his way in to a ring. He wants to play. He probably wants to play here. But if he didn't think he would get decent minutes I wouldn't be shocked at all for him to not pick up his option so that he could go to a team that would use him.
I worry about Tpark if Finley leaves. TPark has been in a symbiotic relationship with Finley's nutsac for 4 years now. The separation process is going to be painful.
Will go just a tad better than your break up with your assfriend Brent Barry.
That's a good question.
Why the the Spurs give Finley a option??? He was already terrible in 08 Playoffs and the Spurs gave him a option
Leave $1.2 on the table? I'll be surprised if he does.
Did you have a better SF option in mind last offseason? One that we could have had without using the MLE, since we had to use that on Thomas. The Spurs were pretty much stuck. They couldn't afford to lose Finley.That's a good question.
Why the the Spurs give Finley a option??? He was already terrible in 08 Playoffs and the Spurs gave him a option
I'd rather see the Spurs paying Finley a little more last season on a year deal than see they offering a PO for him
Had the Spurs known back then that they'd be able to trade for Richard Jefferson one year later they might have done exactly that. At the time though they didn't, nor did they have much leverage.
I agree witht that but I think they could never offer him a 2 year deal after the terrible playoffs he played in 08. You could see he was almost done
You're right. I don't agree with you, but I do respect your opinion.
I do respect Finley for his shot-making, his professionalism and his career achievements. Yet, in addition to Finley being a player of declining skills, I just never thought of him as being a mentally tough player - and on many occasions he's proven me correct. Even in a backup role, his time on the court has proven to be counterproductive. I've always criticized him for evolving into this one-trick pony: a streaky shooter, who contributes little else while he's on the court. The Spurs will continue to be at a disadvantage whenever and whoever he's matched up against. It's clear that he just doesn't belong in this team anymore.
It's clear the organization has made the difficult decision to move in another direction. In the process. Bruce Bowen - one of the greatest team contributors in franchise history - was traded away. If Finley has any pride about himself, he should recognize that, take the hint, realize that his time is up and elect not come back.
What are the chances Finley retires and the Spurs owe him nothing?
I'd be glad to have Finley back next season, and while I agree he's not the player of his prime, or even of his prime with the Spurs, I don't agree that he's a choker or a dog. I thought he had great stretches of production during the regular season last year, and over all, a good season for the Spurs, and that in particular, his production during the regular season came while the Spurs were struggling, and would have had a hard time winning without his big play.
And yes, I remember his bad stretches too.
SenorSpur,
I respect your opinion as well. We can agree to disagree on this one.
However, you make some compelling points on why Finley shouldn't come back.
The big thing is that he has the players option and he still wants to play basketball. So there is 2.5m on the table from a legit championship caliber ballclub where he has played for the last 4 seasons.
I just don't see him walking away from that unless he has another deal in line.
I agree with you and others that Finley has not been effective off the bench. But, if he does come back that will be his role. RJ is the starter now and Finley will have to accept that role.
And I believe his professionalism....is where he can be effective in a limited role. The only thing he is a volume shooter and that will be an adjustment for him.
Like I said this is his last season as a Spur if he accepts the option. So if he has mind set of being an effective backup.....then I'm okay with it for one season.
A good debate though......
It sucks when posters want geriatric role players to return that Pop has over relied on in the past to return knowing full well at the first sign of trouble Pop will go back to said geriatric role player when it matters in the post-season.
The only way to ensure Pop doesn't F up next season with Finley is for Finley not to be on this roster.
I have to disagree with you...
Pop has known RJ's game since 2004. He knows what kind of a player they traded for.
So unless RJ gets injured....Finley won't be the starter next season.
A lot of people here say that it is good for spurs if he is given a "limited role". I have to disagree because if he is only given a limited role, we could easily find some1 with a cheaper price and does the same role (10-15 min spot up shooter).
+1
As brilliant of a coach as Pop is, his mind-numbing, man-crush on Finley is hard to explain. And has been detrimental to team success. Frankly, I've seen enough of this movie to know it stinks.
As Whott suggested earlier, there has been no evidence to suggest where Finley has had any success in the past 2 playoff series. Guess what? It aint gonna start next season either.
Old players don't get any better - they keep getting older. What is that Einstein axiom about repeatedly trying the same thing, yet expecting different results? I realize the decision rests solely with Finley, but another year of him would be idiotic. I'd rather see that roster spot go to someone else.
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