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Mavs and Rockets have a 2010 plan. I'm not sure that they want to eat a quite big part of their cap space for an aging Sheed.
And how do you propose the spurs are going to obtain Rasheed Wallace AND Pachulia? They going to split the MLE right down the middle? Cmon....
And... the spurs have not 1 but TWO promising big men (and another stashed in Europe that might be a possibility soon) .. they only need 1 more "Vet" and they'll be set. Let the ing young guys get some PT already!
Mavs and Rockets have a 2010 plan. I'm not sure that they want to eat a quite big part of their cap space for an aging Sheed.
Marcus Bryant's post has made the most sense to me. With one minor tweak.. the spurs should stay the away from Rasheed Wallace. The guy would be a team cancer and a momentum killer. I don't think he's got the heart or the hustle to play a full 82 game season plus playoffs anymore. Spurs should stay the away from this guy. And like MB said, they wouldn't need him launching up 3's they need someone closer to the basket getting offensive putbacks and second chances. Someone to help clean up the missed layups of TP and Manu or be ready to finish from a dump off pass. The spurs will already have enough sharpshooters stationed out on the perimeter. Jefferson has shown he can hit the 3 at a 40% clip so he'll should be taking those shots, not Wallace. For chrissakes.
And yes, the spurs got a promising rebounding rookie who will hopefully see some quality PT this year. But that doesn't mean right now. The guy the spurs hopefully obtain to start next to Duncan should be able to hit the offensive boards as well. And that just ain't Rasheed's game.
The only plus I see Rasheed giving the spurs is being able to play some decent halfcourt man to man defense. But McDyess can do it just as well IMO. Varajao plays good hard nosed defense, he wouldn't be a bad option either.
The spurs needs complimentary players, who are willing to take a backseat role, and I mean way in the back of the bus. I just don't see this being agreeable with Rasheed Wallace. McDyess otoh would savor it just like he has in Detroit all these years.
My wish list (only players i think are somewhat attainable)
1. McDyess
2. Anderson Varajao (prob going to stay in CLE anyway)
3. Gooden
4. Oberto
5. That guy, Sheldon Williams in another thread, could add depth for LLE
I put Oberto on this list because the guy still can ball and knows the spurs system.. health being a risk however.
I can't stress this enough.. stay away from Rasheed Wallace or I gaurantee the season will go up in smoke. That is all.
I'm starting to warm up to the idea of Varejao. He has an ugly game and he's annoying flopper but he helps teams win. In every year of his career, his plus/minus stats have been good. He can defend, he's relatively young, he's not new to the playoffs and he brings elements to the game that mesh well with Blair, Mahinmi and Bonner.
That said, his commitment to the game got red flagged prior to the draft. The Spurs had been really high on him but the supposedly the Spurs background checks resulted in them thinking that he was too aloof and had "too much of a surfer at ude" to risk a first round draft pick on him. So instead, the Spurs drafted Beno
I wonder if the Spurs like Varejao more now and if their character concerns have subsided. Defensively and roster-wise, he's a pretty damn good fit.
I'm feeling the same way. Most people don't realize how tough this kid is. On the court he's Rodman with far less danger of submarining the team. The only problem I see is that he seems to have some damn crisis about his contract every other year.I'm starting to warm up to the idea of Varejao. He has an ugly game and he's annoying flopper but he helps teams win. In every year of his career, his plus/minus stats have been good. He can defend, he's relatively young, he's not new to the playoffs and he brings elements to the game that mesh well with Blair, Mahinmi and Bonner.
That said, his commitment to the game got red flagged prior to the draft. The Spurs had been really high on him but the supposedly the Spurs background checks resulted in them thinking that he was too aloof and had "too much of a surfer at ude" to risk a first round draft pick on him. So instead, the Spurs drafted Beno
I wonder if the Spurs like Varejao more now and if their character concerns have subsided. Defensively and roster-wise, he's a pretty damn good fit.
He also opted out of a 6.2 million dollar year, and I read somewhere that he's looking for four years at ~8 million per. Can the Spurs even afford to get him to answer the phone?
I wonder about the Varejao situation.
I don't know if he is on the Spurs list at all, thanks to his agent. (who once forced Sjax to reject the Spurs offer, that was quite fair back in 2003)
however, let's guess the Spurs contact him, will he listen? the arrival of Shaq didn't exactly bring extended minutes for Varejao and reports that the Cavs will woo Sheed might also cool down his love for Cleveland. (which wasn't that much of a love story most of the time)
the question is, why would he chose SA?
well, they can likely offer a starting job, less of a risk that the team falls apart 2010 (what might happen in Cleveland), warmer weather, a coach who will like and facilitate his qualities and the chance to team with fellow countryman Splitter. (I don't know if this would help, don't know about their relationship. Varejao once called Splitter the best NBA prospect from Brasil though.)
overall I really like the idea of getting Varejao. compared to Sheed the upside is his youth and energy. the major question would be: who is better suited to defend Gasol and Dirk. as good a defender Sheed was, currently I take Varejao for this job. either of them doesn't like this high energy hustle defenders, who they also can't easily take off the dribble.
on offense his limitations are well do ented. but there is one quality, that shouldn't be ignored when evaluating his impact. Varejao is a pretty smart player, who moves well, sets good screens and does a nice job on the pick and roll. with Jefferson as another option to drive to the rim, Vareajo will get plenty of opportunities to play an important role also on offense.
If one of Blair or Ian can produce for 20 - 25 mins then we can beat anyone in the West other then the Lakers with the team we already have.
To me this FA bigman needs to be about the Gasol Match up.
I cant help but think of the 2008 finals where the celtics bigs rattled and even intimidated Gasol. This last playoffs was better for him,... he held his own against Denver but let some of the more physical rocket bigmen have their way at times. Maybe he's over it now that he's been through the war and got a ring but whoever we sign has to go in with the mindset to dominate him physically.
Sheed
Dice
Vajearo
If we cant get one of those 3 then Id start looking at trades.
Sheed may be a little slow for Gasol but has the best chance of rattling him with his at ude and physical play. On top of that he has the length to bother his jumper, lets TD have more chances to protect the rim and spreads the court on offense. Dice and Vaj are nice consolations
Last edited by ceds; 06-29-2009 at 06:53 AM.
Id move Zaza second on that list. He plays physical and can defend. And he is young. If we cant get Sheed, Zaza would be great pick up.
From what i saw in the play-offs Anderson Varejao would be a great addition to this Spurs team. I thought the kid showed a lot of poise on offense, often being in the right position and doing the little things for his teammates. What i liked most though was that he didn't shy away when challenging shots and his post-up D even with the flopping was adequate. He's a smart player and young, a good fit for the Spurs.
I don't see why people think Wallace is so much bigger than 'Dice. They are about the same size as one can see from this photo from last year's playoffs.
You also get a much better complimentary player in McDyess, no potential headcase antics that Wallace is famous for and a guy who has consistently showed up for the playoffs the past couple years.
1) Dice
2) Sheed
3) Kleiza
4) Varejao
5) Gooden
6) Villanueva
7) Gortat
8) Zaza
9) Rasho
10) Birdman
Between last night and this morning I have thinking about him and have been warming up to him as well. Behind Sheed/Dice, his game is probably the best fit for us. All things considered, I would take him over Gortat. I have a feeling that it might take more than an MLE deal to get him, but there is always the possibility that no one is willing to part with that much cash and he is forced to go to a team offering the MLE.I'm starting to warm up to the idea of Varejao. He has an ugly game and he's annoying flopper but he helps teams win. In every year of his career, his plus/minus stats have been good. He can defend, he's relatively young, he's not new to the playoffs and he brings elements to the game that mesh well with Blair, Mahinmi and Bonner.
That said, his commitment to the game got red flagged prior to the draft. The Spurs had been really high on him but the supposedly the Spurs background checks resulted in them thinking that he was too aloof and had "too much of a surfer at ude" to risk a first round draft pick on him. So instead, the Spurs drafted Beno
I wonder if the Spurs like Varejao more now and if their character concerns have subsided. Defensively and roster-wise, he's a pretty damn good fit.
Can Varejao be had for MLE?
+1. Damn straight.I don't see why people think Wallace is so much bigger than 'Dice. They are about the same size as one can see from this photo from last year's playoffs.
You also get a much better complimentary player in McDyess, no potential headcase antics that Wallace is famous for and a guy who has consistently showed up for the playoffs the past couple years.
I can't understand people who actually think anyone outside of Sheed and Dice could possibly be the first option, since they're the only ones of the first 10 who are gettable and unrestricted. I'd exclude Gooden because I really don't think he'll be back and even if the Spurs fail to land either Dice or Sheed, I'd expect them to look for a trade or at another big before turning their attention to him.
I'd go with Sheed over Dice, he's the closest thing to a Robert Horry and I also believe it'd be reasonable to expect him to behave while he's here and to be interested, unlike last season in Detroit.His skillset would fit like a glove in out system, there really is no one better, on paper at least. Question is, is he worth $10+ mil a year ( including the impending lux tax ). I would have said a deffinite no earlier this summer, but I guess right now things look different and way more exciting for Spurs fans.
Another thing which is a plus if we persue Sheed/Dice is that they would probably demand 2 or 3 years at the max, with an option for the third year, whereas if we're looking at Gortat/Zaza, etc, we'd have to be looking at a 4 year near-MLE deal minimum. Where does that leave Splitter? IMO, the Spurs will try to land one of these two, preferably to a 2 year deal and would stay away from long term deals for anyone of that group of 25 players.
Last edited by BG_Spurs_Fan; 06-29-2009 at 09:38 AM.
If you ask Varejo he'd say no. IIRC, his last bout in free agency he was looking for $8 mil / yr. Clearly he's got an over-inflated view of his self worth, but in reality he's probably going to have to "settle" for someone's MLE.
I'm starting to warm up to the idea of Varejao. He has an ugly game and he's annoying flopper but he helps teams win. In every year of his career, his plus/minus stats have been good. He can defend, he's relatively young, he's not new to the playoffs and he brings elements to the game that mesh well with Blair, Mahinmi and Bonner.
That said, his commitment to the game got red flagged prior to the draft. The Spurs had been really high on him but the supposedly the Spurs background checks resulted in them thinking that he was too aloof and had "too much of a surfer at ude" to risk a first round draft pick on him. So instead, the Spurs drafted Beno
I wonder if the Spurs like Varejao more now and if their character concerns have subsided. Defensively and roster-wise, he's a pretty damn good fit.
you are seeing the light. Varejao puts his signature on the game probably on a more consistent basis than any of the other available big men. He is one annoying mofo and in the Spurs he'd drive the other team's bigmen crazy. that's what we need.
Plus Varejao is young but still a veteran with tons of playoff games under his belt.
I still pick Rasheed over him just because it would be a dream to see both Duncan and Sheed together. but my #2 option is Varejao
not to mention, once we get Varejao, we again comfortably back in the most hated team in basketball.
I think Cleveland would match an MLE and Varejao would likely take the deal unless the Cavs are using their MLE for some other player(s).
Cleveland would deffinitely match a MLE offer, but I doubt he'd even sign such an offer, especially in the begining of the FA period. He may have to agree to it at some point but I don't think he would in the first week of july.
So basically by your and my thinking Varejao is likely not an option for the Spurs. MLE is the best offer the Spurs can make, if Varejao could only get an MLE offer Cavs would agree to match (unless the Cavs are not using or are targeting their MLE for other players) and all things being equal if Varejao's best offer is an MLE and Cleveland matches, he'd likely just stay in Cleveland.
If cavs can get Sheed, I don't think they would keep Varejao. Could they financially?
They'd pick Sheed over Varejao because they already go Shaq clogging the paint
Yea, this sounds about as logical as it gets. If we're going to spend our MLE we might as well throw it at an unrestricted FA than waiting for 7 days only to see our other options sign with other teams and be left with nothing in the end.
As for Varejao, he's a good player, but I don't think he'll get any offers bigger than MLE in free agency, so he might have to look at sign and trade scenarios, in which case, if we're really high on him, there's a slightly more realistic chance of getting him. However, I don't see us interested in such a deal and for that matter Celeveland either, unless they're getting a really good package in return.
Maybe with Shaq, Bonner has some appeal to the Cavs as a guy who can stretch the floor and is more mobile on defense than Z. Package him with Mason for Varejao, Cavs picking up his option and agreeing to a sign and trade with ther Spurs. But then Spurs don't have a bbig than stretch the floor something Pop likes to have.
I'm not so sure he's in Cleveland's plans anymore now that they've got Shaq.
No thanks. The last thing I want to see is Mason popping game winning 3's with the freaking Cavs.
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