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    Pretty sure Orlando lose Hedo Turkolu. Their 2nd best player, yeah Carter MIGHT be better(in the playoffs) but still, big loss, Turkolu was kicking ass in the playoffs, so that counts Orlando out.

    Shaq is gonna help the Cavs, but so is Jefferson the Spurs. That plus the fact that we had a great draft. Makes Spurs the most improved so far...

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    I would say its between the Spurs and Cavs, with a slight edge to the Spurs. The Cavs went from an above average starting Center, to a very good one, while the Spurs went from a below average starting SF, to a very good one.

    If the Magic somehow sign Sheed, then i think they might be the big winners.

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    That would allow them to continue to spread the floor, and match up with the Lakers better, and other big teams in the West.

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    Magic took a step back by letting Hedo go and replacing him with Carter

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    I see Sheed fitting in with Spurs a lot better than in Magic.

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    my mind is still boggled as y the magic r tryin to completely dismantle their team. Carter is not an improvement over Hedo, Courtney Lee and Alston. And that's pretty much what they gave up for Carter. And now they're goin after Sheed to fill in the gap of missin Hedo, but what do their reserves look like. They look like a depleted team. Unlike the Spurs who gave up peanuts to get Jefferson. I guarantee u his numbers will look far better than anything bruce (although I know what bowen brings no stat can track), kurt and oberto could do combined. As far as the Cavs, sure Shaq is an improvement over what they had but does he really make them better than the Celts or the Magic. Still gives them a slow big that can't guard Howard. So, after all that I'd have to say so far counting just those transactions that the Spurs have improved the most.

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    I too think we improved the most because of what we gave up versus what we received in return. RJ is a phenomenal addition, and we kept our core pieces together. We just got younger, faster and stronger.

    Whereas the Cavs got bigger but slower, and I think Timmy can handle Shaq just fine as we have seen him do in the past. Moreover, the Magic gave up some core pieces for Carter. We definitely upgraded the most with the trades we just made.

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    The real question is this:

    How much of an improvement is Jefferson over Finley?
    How much of an improvement is Carter over Turkgolu?
    How much of an improvement is Shaq over Ben Wallace?

    I think the biggest improvement is the Spurs when you look at it this way.
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    They all improved, the Spurs and Cavs more so than the Magic, but in the end I think it depends on where Sheed goes to determine who improved the most.

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    Sheed

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    WHOSE comin off the bench for the magic?

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    ESPN discusses the three trades and compares them (Sorry if this is old):

    http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=428...goryid=2459788

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    ESPN discusses the three trades and compares them (Sorry if this is old):

    http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=428...goryid=2459788
    Awesome-I sure hadn't seen it.

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    David Aldridge on NBA.com.

    Who's the leader in the clubhouse so far for improving its team the most?

    With the caveat that free-agent signings and trades could change everything, the leaders so far are the Spurs. They got Manu Ginobili insurance with the acquisition of Richard Jefferson from Milwaukee for none of their core group, and somehow, with nary a first-round pick in sight, still wound up with three excellent rookie prospects out of the second round: Blair, Miami guard Jack McClinton (whom many teams thought could slip late into the first) and Spanish point guard Nando De Colo, who'll likely stay over in Europe for a couple of years to get more seasoning.

    Let's review. Last summer, the Spurs drafted point guard George Hill at the end of the first round, and signed free agent Roger Mason, Jr. -- who just may have been the most impactful free agent in the league last season -- for a fraction of the price that Philly spent on Elton Brand. This summer they've gotten Jefferson, Blair, McClinton and De Colo. They also have a great shot at signing Wallace and may well wind up again with Bruce Bowen and Fab Oberto -- sent to Milwaukee and Detroit, respectively, in the Jefferson deal, and who will likely be bought out or released by those respective teams. And San Antonio still has the draft rights to Tiago Splitter, still one of Europe's top prospects.

    Even if McClinton and De Colo don't play much next season, and even if young center Ian Mahinmi doesn't pan out as hoped, that's still a fairly quick and painless retooling of a team around its three star players, with Jefferson's $29.2 million remaining the only significant financial commitment past this season. Meaning the Spurs could actually be free agent players next summer if they chose to be. Tim Duncan, Tony Parker and Ginobili may be getting older, but the Spurs aren't getting any dumber.
    http://www.nba.com/2009/news/feature.../29/postdraft/

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    Problem is who is going to grab those offensive rebounds confucious say old folk don't rebound so well, they stand and watch young gun grab ball....lol

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    Magic took a step back by letting Hedo go and replacing him with Carter
    they got rid of 3 players in return for 1 player....thats going to hurt them when they have no one to come off from the bench to help

    would be funny if they cant hold onto gortat....then they fail this summer

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