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I'm for Bowen (primarily) or whichever of the youngsters has the best defensive upside. Finley should be viewed as primarily depth at this point, but the fear is that his role may still be significant even without an injury.
Uh, Horry was the power forward to close out those games. In fact, I don't remember any small ball in that series. Elson started next to Duncan while Oberto and Horry got relatively big minutes off of the bench.
I'm for Bowen (primarily) or whichever of the youngsters has the best defensive upside. Finley should be viewed as primarily depth at this point, but the fear is that his role may still be significant even without an injury.
I honestly don't understand it either. I think Finely's done fine in his time here. Its not his fault Pop plays him too much. I don't understand the hate directed at him at all. Direct it at the man who plays him far too much.
I don't see the Spurs dishing out money on Jefferson, Wallace or McDyess just so they can find more minutes for Finley.
Completely agree.
Ok fine.
Again though, being pissed at Finley is again misguided.
but he made more money than Tim Duncan and David Robinson so therefore = Evil.
If Finley does pick up his option I honestly have no idea one way or the other if the Spurs shop the pick.
I think Bonner is gonna be shopped, MAYBE Mason ( i hope not I'm hoping he starts) but Finley, I just don't know.
If he is, with Bonner's 3.5, that gets 6.
You might get Posey for that, but there you are again, do you have room for him? I think so.
I just don't know what teams are wanting 6 million and what you'd get in return.
Finley coming back would be a disaster.
At best, even if Pop doesn't pull his Fin-love routine, Finley STILL is going to re the growth of whatever young player they have at the wing (be it Gist, Hairston, M.Williams, Sanikidze, Hill in smallball) by keeping them off the court.
Worse still it will be much harder for the Spurs to fairly judge the place those players might have with the Spurs in the future. They'll go into next offseason not knowing what they really have with the young guys, whoever they are. And Pop will have the perfect excuse to REFUSE to give them a chance in the playoffs because they 'won't be ready/have enough experience'. And they won't have that experience because Finley will still be hogging time.
Finley can't play forever people. I realize some people on this board would love to give him a lifetime contract and delude themselves into thinking he'd be very solid in 15 minutes off the bench when he's 55 years old. But Finley = Fail. Nothing against him, he's no doubt a great person. But on the court he's a disaster.
Agree here also and I think Pop learned his lesson.
Yeah Pop has been 100% "new direction" since after game 5.
Glad to see me and Manny agree.
The only way Finley won't play too much is if: 1) He's not on the team 2) Pop is fired.
Two isn't going to happen so one is the only hope.
Again, glad this news isn't OFFICIAL. Fin, you've got your ring and money, do what's best for the team and opt out, please.
Jeesy-creezy, what's with the hate? He played a lot last year because we had -all-else at the position. Who expected him to turn down this money? We can trade him, whatever. He can sit the bench, play bench minutes. He's still better than Hairston at this point.
Are you serious? You blame the guy for making more money than DRob & TD? He & or his agent asked for a certain amount of money & FO's paid it. They're the evil ones for paying up. If you had the chance to make bank like that, you know you'd do it. I know I would.
Ok fine.
Again though, being pissed at Finley is again misguided.
but he made more money than Tim Duncan and David Robinson so therefore = Evil.
I don't mind Fin coming back. I'm worried about Manu getting hurt again & needing some scoring. Yeah Fin's D is real suspect, but his offensive game isn't gone. He's a good leader & IMO a respectable guy. If they trade him, so be it. He's done some good in his time w/ the Spurs.
All I'm going to say..
Mason and Finley play the same way..we don't have room for both..one of them has to be moved to make room for a guy with a different skill-set..I'd obviously rather have Roger, but he would probably bring in a better player in a trade..
Finley would be good on a younger team, as a veteran presence that could come in once in a while for some shooting..he won't be good on this team, because the coach uses him in a much bigger role than he can successfully play..
Michael Finley is ONLY good when he's hot..that's it..he doesn't have a middle-ground, he's either hot or cold..when he isn't making shots at a consistent rate, he hurts the team..bad shot selection, horrible passer, can't rebound, can't play defense..
I never really post on here, but had to throw my 2 cents in here....
I can't believe you guys wouldn't be excited to have Michael Finley back on this team. I never have seen so much hypocrisy. The same people who are saying let's start the youth movement are the same ones wanting Sheed and also Bowen to return. Then there are some of you who really want to go young and want guys like that big stiff Orlando has come off the bench who can't play.
Wake up board...we have a short window to capitalize and we need the players to help us win NOW. Finley is a great player off the bench and a great team player behind the scenes. I would be thrilled if we get someone who can knock down shots like Finley for 2.5 million and it doesn't affect our MLE. Finley has always been a solid player, but everyone here on the board was expecting the young superstar version of him. He can help us win a le next year and that's all that matters.
I'd much rather see Finley in there when it matters over a player like Gist, Williams, Hairston, or whoever else you guys are upset that he will mess up their development. Timmy doesn't have the time for this to happen....
Sorry, but Michael Finley isn't a significant piece for "win now" mode..
I don't care about Finley's age, I care about his lack of remaining ability..
A bad passer? Really? Do you watch any Spur games?
There's a lot of groupthink along with scapegoating in this thread. Finley is suddenly the worst player to don a Spurs outfit.
It's hilarious that this thread is playing out like last year's thread about Finley re-signing. So many Spurs fans were convinced that Finley would be used as a deep reserve and that Pop had learned his lesson in playing him too much. What happened? Finley played more than ever.
If Pop can bench a Spurs legend who had been named to the All-Defensive team for the last eight years or whatever it was to make room for Finley, he'll find a way once again. If you could guarantee that Finley would take a Steve Smith 2003 role, I'd be fine with him coming back. But if he's part of the rotation at all this coming season, I don't think the team wins a championship. Finley is just too horrible at defense, too soft and too much of a volume shooter who gets cold at the absolute wrong times.
Michael Finley is one of the worst passers I've ever seen..I'm wrong??..he's easily the worst inbounds passer I've ever seen, dude belongs on the Nuggets..
I agree somewhat with what you are saying, but Bruce was obviously not very valuable to us with Manu out and Tim hurting. We needed offense down the stretch and Mike at least gave us that. I don't think with 4 healthy scorers on our team, we'd need Mike to play as big of a role as he had to last year. I still like him in our locker room and still think he's a bargain at $2.5 million.
Finley in when it matters at this stage of his career = LOSS. If you want to see Tim Duncan lose in 09-10 and be wondering what kind of pieces you have to work with for 10-11 then Finley is the man for you.
He's significantly worse than he was even in the playoffs of 08, when he hit the end of 4th three against PHX in game 1.
He'll be even worse by the coming playoffs. He's completely finished. He'll do what he's been doing as a finished player, have hot and cold streaks where the cold streaks are getting longer and longer. And that's ignoring his awful defense where he straight up can not cover perimeter players anymore. And he can't defend the post either.
1) Bowen I could understand trumping the immediate youth movement one more season at the wing because he provides great one-on-one, pontentially stifling defense along with some clutch shooting from behind the arc.
2) Gortat played a nice role in helping his team reach the NBA Finals, especially when their All-Star Center was in foul trouble or suspended.
3) The team is already making strides offensively and shouldn't be in dire need of Finley's streaky shooting like they were for stretches of last year's injury-riddled season when we can get that from other sources but need better defense from the wing.
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