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I don't want a completely clean slate next year. Our bench needs some system/corporate knowledge guys like Oberto and Bowen/Finley. One at each position is enough.
They'd be forced to go one more rung down the ladder ... which is exactly where they'd be without Oberto. I don't see how the extra buffer of injury protection changes anything for the young big at the end of the bench.
Oberto in a Sean Marks role increases the Spurs chances of winning a championship.
I don't want a completely clean slate next year. Our bench needs some system/corporate knowledge guys like Oberto and Bowen/Finley. One at each position is enough.
oberto is probably one of the top 3 passing big men in the nba if not the best. he doesnt grab rebounds but he does keep plays alive by batting the ball back. he is smart as and knows where to be when tim gets doubled. its funny. you guys act like he cant produce. i never saw his down slide. he lost minutes because the bonner experiment and his heart. we would be lucky to have him back for a million for one year. if his heart acts up, cant he retire and the rest of his salary not count against the lux tax?
Oberto was playing fantastic basketball last year before his heart problem.
If the surgery fixed his heart proble, he would be fantastic in that Tony Massenburg role.
Blair, Mahinmi, and Gist would learn ALOT under Oberto's wing.
especially Gist who could be a passing, small ball athletic matchup big.
Oberto coming off the bench with Manu for a few minutes per game would be great. We need another big besides the MLE one, and if Fab is willing to sign for 1m (or even a tad more) then we take him. It's either him or nothing at this point.
Blair's health will allways be a concern, Mahinmi's even more so, when Bonner takes a night off he can stink up the place like few others, so having a proven hussle type player with good passing and decent rebounding skills on the roster should be something we all should be pleased with....or no?
Why is BLair's health a concern?
He hasn't missed a game due to injury since the 10th grade....
Oberto sucked at the beginning of last year. And didn't his heart problem force him to miss the beginning of the season?
He doesn't have ACLs.
Im talking about his heart murmur right near the end of the year. Right up until that time with Duncan out Oberto strung together some really solid to good games and was turning it on.
He doesn't have ACLs
Hasn't had em for four years and Heinz Ward who plays in a harder sport hasn't had em for over 20.
But yeah lets keep going with the idea he's gonna fall down in pain at any minute.
True. Oberto was never able to get on track or in a rhythm last year to really know what he's got left. Wouldn't mind him back on the team for continuity/chemistry purposes, but it'd really depend on the type/quality of big the Spurs were able to acquire with the MLE.
Forgotten in all this, is how well K.T. played once he got over that early season leg injury. He seemed to wear down towards the end of the season, maybe in part due to the minutes/intensity he was forced to play with earlier in the season, but I wouldn't mind seeing him back if the Spurs get that quality starting big. He's still one of a post-defender to have in your arsenal if he's fresh/right down the stretch.
He seemed to wear down towards the end of the season, maybe in part due to the minutes/intensity he was forced to play with earlier in the season, but I wouldn't mind seeing him back if the Spurs get that quality starting big. He's still one of a post-defender to have in your arsenal if he's fresh/right down the stretch.
Is this the same KT posting double doubles night in and night out while Duncan sat out?
Towards the end of the season. As in the end.
K.T. was fantastic last year after getting over that hamstring (IIRC) and getting into a rhythm, but towards the end of the season and going into the playoffs he clearly did not look the same.
I saw enough last year from Kurt physically to believe when he's right/fresh he's still a very useful player to have. The key is to actually keep him fresh.
I'm not quite following.
If he was doing that at the end of the season he wasn't losing steam.
Fin, Bowen and Fab are all precious vets who can bring some experience to this team. Bowen and Fab for the vet min and Fin for his last year of contract would all be great to have as 10-15 players with few minutes.
The theory about them needing to go away because Pop would be playing them too much is just stupid.
so basically, some of you are asking to bring weaker players so that Pop wouldn't have to hesitate in his choices between Blair, Mahinmi, Hill or Mc Clinton and vets ? The best players play and i really think the FO is willing to add some youth to the team's rotation.
Bring them, especially Fab and Bowen for the vet min.
It would be a great insurance to have them at the end of the bench for so few money. I really don't see how having better for less money.
In my mind...Fab > Bonner ANY day of the week. The man has a higher bball IQ, can play high/low with Timmy better, can rebound/tap-out balls for rebounds waaaaaaay better than Bonner.
I went back and checked the numbers and K.T. peaked in february and steadily, but not drastiaclly, fell off each of the following 3 months. But more than a numbers thing, it was the way he looked physically. Yeah, he'd have an impressive outing one night where he looked to have the juice but then he'd have 3 or 4 nights where even if he seemed pretty productive, it just wasn't the same. He looked somewhat gassed.
Be that as it may, I'm not going to sit here and argue something I'm not trying to argue. My point was to say I'd still like to see Kurt on this team if he's bought out, and it seems you want me to tear him down or argue for the sake of arguing.
Kurt would be useful in a limited role where he wasn't depended to carry such a heavy load and if the Spurs land a quality big with the MLE, there'd be no need for him to.
I don't think any sane Spurs fan can argue that was the case last season.
I only see Oberto back if the Spurs can't get Sheed or Dice and Pop want a veteran that know the system
I think its the opposite. If they get any of the two, i think we get Oberto back. If not, then we experiment a bit.
Gist is not getting any time on the Spurs this year. With Ian, Blair and probably a new starting big all needing to get minutes to really learn the system Gist will either be on the Toros or overseas again. His only hope to make the Spurs is if he is considered a 3, not a 4. If he is a 3 then Oberto's return would have no impact. Besides, if Oberto returns he is merely an insurance big that watches most games in sports coat.
Fab deserves more credit. He isn't like Finley, in that he can hurt his team by playing poorly. The Spurs didn't lose games because of Fabricio.
Oberto will be back wether ppl like it here or not.
He is insurance. Come onyou would put all your money on no ACLs Blair, Glassman Mahinmi or the slim chance we might land a big FA????
please get real.
i know your endless argument about Hill last PO. i also remember his tremendous 9 points and 0 assists performance in 33 min the last game.
I don't think any sane Spurs fan can argue that was the case last season.
The fact is that, as loudly and often you said it, and as numerous were your church members to follow you there, Hill wouldn't have changed a lot of thing last year. he'll probably do in the near future, but not so much last PO.
so by playing other players over him (Fin and Mase), maybe Pop wasn't so far from having played the best players avaible then.
Once again, do you see better players for less money than Bruce and Fab for the vet min and even Fin for 2M and so ?
If the only reason for not bringing them back as 10 to 15th men is the fear to see Pop playing them over younger and better player, i say that it's just BS.
If Hill, Blair or Mahinmi, why not even Mc Clinton, emerge as useful players, i have no doubt that Pop will play them over our vets.
If they're upset, so i guess everyone should be happy to have these vet to step in for us.
What do people actually expect of the 12th man on the roster playing for the minimum?
Hill proved by the end of the series that he should have gotten more minutes in the first few games. If you disagree with that then you obviously didn't watch the games.
Great take
So Hill single-handedly wasn't going to beat the Mavs. Yeah, no kidding.
And besides, you were the one convinced the Spurs would easily beat the Mavs. What happened?
"The best players play" means the best players play. If they don't, then you can't say that.
Pretty simple.
WTF are you talking about? Did you read this thread or any other thread of late? I'm all for bringing back Bowen and Oberto. And the point with Finley is that his contract could potentially cut into the MLE, LLE and other avenues the Spurs can use to improve.
If you are going to try to start some weak flaming, at least know what you are talking about.
Not to mention there will be nights (back to backs?) when Pop sits Timmy. So, having one more big, even if normally buried far on the bench, who knows the system can't hurt us. If there is a young big that would be in his place, mostly not playing, then the young guy might be better served with another season in the D-League where he'd get time.
Still, if it came down to resigning Bowen or Fab, I'd go with Bruce in a heartbeat. I feel a little sorry for Kurt Thomas who worked his ass off for us. No one seems to want him back. But at his age, it is understandable.
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