Obama: California is the model for our economy

[Extra Stout]

It amazes me that the combined total for residential and commercial energy useage only equals 41% of total energy usage.

That leaves 59% to vehicles and everything else.

Industrial 31%
Transportation 28%

[101A]

From recent DOE data:
Residential energy consumption makes up 22% of total energy consumption in the U.S. Of that, roughly 50% is for heating and cooling. Commercial energy consumption is 19% of the total, and of that 20% is for heating and cooling. By my math, that comes to 15% of total energy usage in the U.S. being for the purposes of heating and cooling.

What of the other 85%?

101A, you know better than this.

Know better than what?

Obama's quote is:

...and yet they have been able to maintain their energy usage at a much lower level than the rest of the country.

Do you know the definition of "much lower level" is - or to what macro group he is referring to? Obama could have used specific numbers: "The state as a whole uses 40% less energy per capita than the national average." But he didn't. I would be willing to bet that environmental (and by that I mean natural occurring differences in energy consumption requirements) are responsible for all but a fraction of the difference in consuption between Cali. and the rest of us - and the easy way to find this out would be to see if pre - '79 they ALSO used energy "at a much lower level than the rest of the country".

[101A]

ROFL:

http://www.eredux.com/states/

That shows that, in fact, California has the lowest Carbon output per capita of all but one other state - obviously supporting Obama's contention. They are bested by one one state in the Union! What is that state? Sure an enlighted, liberal bastion of environmental open-mindedness! Washingon, maybe Oregon?

Nope.

Texas.

That's right - our no income tax, no-regulating, bring your corporations down here, let the Mexican trucks drive all over the blasted place red-neck asses are #1 in per-cap a carbon emissions.

Nice.

[Marcus Bryant]

Should much stock be put in state by state rankings? A heavy emissions state may just be bearing the emissions required to produce power, products, etc... consumed in other states.

[Jacob1983]

Obama is a dumbass for saying that stuff. Isn't California like tied with Michigan for being the state that's ed the most right now when it comes to debt, high house prices, and unemployment?

[baseline bum]

California uses less energy than the rest of the country per person.

HMMMMMMM.

What makes YOUR utility bill rise the most?

For me, in Pennsylvania, it is heating the air in my house when it is 2 degrees outside.

In Texas, it is cooling the air in your house when it is 102 degrees outside.

In California - where it's almost never too hot, or too cold.... , you do the math. They better damn well be using less energy than the rest of us!

Disingenuous, and ignorant.

That's not accurate at all. Much of California is insanely hot. Just going by the area around LA, the San Fernando Valley is very densely populated and is much hotter than San Antonio or Austin on bad days and about as bad on average. Simi Valley, Thousand Oaks, Valencia, and lots of other LA suburbs on the northside are nasty in the summer; temperatures in the 110-115 range aren't uncommon in suburbs like Woodland Hills. Anything east of the city is hot also. When you get out to cities like Riverside, San Bernadino, and especially Palm Springs, you're talking 110s-120s on bad days in the summer, and high 100s on average. That famous Mediterranean climate of LA doesn't extend too far inland because of all the mountains near the city that form rain shields and stop the cool ocean breeze.

[101A]

Should much stock be put in state by state rankings? A heavy emissions state may just be bearing the emissions required to produce power, products, etc... consumed in other states.

Logic?

What is that doing in here?

This is a thread about an Obama policy initiative. Logic has no place in it.

[coyotes_geek]

Should much stock be put in state by state rankings? A heavy emissions state may just be bearing the emissions required to produce power, products, etc... consumed in other states.

That would make sense, but then wouldn't that work against Texas? Texas does refine a good chunk of the nation's petroleum.

[boutons_deux]

CA cuts/limits taxes like conservatives love, ends up in a ditch with a bankrupt state and a severely degraded CA university system (once the envy of the world and basis for CA's incredible wealth and innovation), and conservatives still aren't happy.

[101A]

That's not accurate at all. Much of California is insanely hot. Just going by the area around LA, the San Fernando Valley is very densely populated and is much hotter than San Antonio or Austin on bad days and about as bad on average. Simi Valley, Thousand Oaks, Valencia, and lots of other LA suburbs on the northside are nasty in the summer; temperatures in the 110-115 range aren't uncommon in suburbs like Woodland Hills. Anything east of the city is hot also. When you get out to cities like Riverside, San Bernadino, and especially Palm Springs, you're talking 110s-120s on bad days in the summer, and high 100s on average. That famous Mediterranean climate of LA doesn't extend too far inland because of all the mountains near the city that form rain shields and stop the cool ocean breeze.

Just checked Intellicast - for the next TEN days - the projected high for LA is 79 freaking degrees - in the same period, San Antonio has LOWS that are higher than that!

79 for a high - yeah, in NOVEMBER!!!!!

[101A]

CA cuts/limits taxes like conservatives love, ends up in a ditch with a bankrupt state and a severely degraded CA university system (once the envy of the world and basis for CA's incredible wealth and innovation), and conservatives still aren't happy.

Their taxes are STILL higher than just about everywhere else in the nation! "Limits" and "Cuts" are relative.

They've got God's own climate, every reason for people to want to move there, and they it up with onerous taxation and regulation! They have bankrupted themselves - and liberals STILL can't see why it happened, and want to do it to the rest of us!

[coyotes_geek]

CA cuts/limits taxes like conservatives love, ends up in a ditch with a bankrupt state and a severely degraded CA university system (once the envy of the world and basis for CA's incredible wealth and innovation), and conservatives still aren't happy.

I'll bet the liberals are happy though. They're having great success in running off rich people and those evil corporations.

[baseline bum]

Just checked Intellicast - for the next TEN days - the projected high for LA is 79 freaking degrees - in the same period, San Antonio has LOWS that are higher than that!

79 for a high - yeah, in NOVEMBER!!!!!

Have you ever been to LA? It's surrounded by densely populated deserts. Why are you so defensive about a point you made that is dead wrong? The city itself isn't in the rain shield. The huge suburbs it has to the north and the east are.

[Extra Stout]

ROFL:

http://www.eredux.com/states/

That shows that, in fact, California has the lowest Carbon output per capita of all but one other state - obviously supporting Obama's contention. They are bested by one one state in the Union! What is that state? Sure an enlighted, liberal bastion of environmental open-mindedness! Washingon, maybe Oregon?

Nope.

Texas.

That's right - our no income tax, no-regulating, bring your corporations down here, let the Mexican trucks drive all over the blasted place red-neck asses are #1 in per-cap a carbon emissions.

Nice.

You read the graph wrong, moron. Texas isn't #1 in terms of lowest carbon emissions per capita. It's #1 in highest carbon emissions overall. California is #2. In terms of lowest carbon emissions per capita, Texas is #41 and California is #5.

I'm sorry I ever took you seriously.

[Obstructed_View]

That's not accurate at all. Much of California is insanely hot. Just going by the area around LA, the San Fernando Valley is very densely populated and is much hotter than San Antonio or Austin on bad days and about as bad on average. Simi Valley, Thousand Oaks, Valencia, and lots of other LA suburbs on the northside are nasty in the summer; temperatures in the 110-115 range aren't uncommon in suburbs like Woodland Hills. Anything east of the city is hot also. When you get out to cities like Riverside, San Bernadino, and especially Palm Springs, you're talking 110s-120s on bad days in the summer, and high 100s on average. That famous Mediterranean climate of LA doesn't extend too far inland because of all the mountains near the city that form rain shields and stop the cool ocean breeze.

120s?

[baseline bum]

120s?

Yeah, occasionally it gets in the low 120s. High 110s are very common.

[Marcus Bryant]

That would make sense, but then wouldn't that work against Texas? Texas does refine a good chunk of the nation's petroleum.

Yes it does. Texas bears a lot of the pollution that allows other states to claim lower emission rankings...and politicians of a certain stripe to denigrate Texas as a heretic at the church of environmentalism.

[101A]

Have you ever been to LA? It's surrounded by densely populated deserts. Why are you so defensive about a point you made that is dead wrong? The city itself isn't in the rain shield. The huge suburbs it has to the north and the east are.

Give me a zip code; I really will believe you - show me the historical data of 110 - 120 degree temps - it's all out there, back to the 19th century in many cases.

[Extra Stout]

The states besides California that do well on these rankings are New York and the New England states. Clearly it is their balmy Mediterranean climate that makes the difference.

[101A]

You read the graph wrong, moron. Texas isn't #1 in terms of lowest carbon emissions per capita. It's #1 in highest carbon emissions overall. California is #2. In terms of lowest carbon emissions per capita, Texas is #41 and California is #5.

I'm sorry I ever took you seriously.

Looked again, you're right; was exciting for a few minutes, however.

Take seriously whomever you'd like.

[coyotes_geek]

Yes it does. Texas bears a lot of the pollution that allows other states to claim lower emission rankings...and politicians of a certain stripe to denigrate Texas as a heretic at the church of environmentalism.

Ironic considering Texas also happens to produce a third of the nation's wind generation capacity.

[baseline bum]

Give me a zip code; I really will believe you - show me the historical data of 110 - 120 degree temps - it's all out there, back to the 19th century in many cases.

Here's June of last year in Palm Springs (12 days 110 or over):

http://www.desertweather.com/blog/ju...lm-springs.htm

[Extra Stout]

Too bad that thanks to Quick Draw McGraw, his love for shooting from the hip, and his insistence that the lamppost thirty feet to the left of the target really was what he was aiming at, we get to argue about the high temperature in Palm Springs rather than to what extent the energy efficiency in states like New York and California is a function of "green awareness" and to what extent it is a function of high population density, urban lifestyles, and lack of energy-intensive industry -- things which can't necessarily be generalized to the whole country.

[101A]

The states besides California that do well on these rankings are New York and the New England states. Clearly it is their balmy Mediterranean climate that makes the difference.

O.K., fine, it's not the weather; my premise (besides that) was that it also IS NOT the California regulations. Any ideas what it is?

Edit:

Nevermind; you just did, let's talk about those.
-QDMG

[101A]

Here's June of last year in Palm Springs (12 days 110 or over):

http://www.desertweather.com/blog/ju...lm-springs.htm

mmmmm. Crow.