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Well there you go...
http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archiv..._with_detroit/
Charlie Villanueva has agreed to a five-year deal with the Pistons. His contract is worth at least $35 million.
RealGM Note: Villanueva had been expected to sign with Cleveland, but with Carlos Boozer remaining in Utah, the Pistons had additional resources to pursue a big.
Well there you go...
Boozer sticks it to Cleveland yet again
So the Pistons traded Billups for Charlie and Ben-- good deal or not?
Considering we probably would have lost in the playoffs again anyways, I'll take it. We got pretty young.
Tough call. But, it's extremely likely that it will look much more favorable for the Pistons in a couple years.
The Pistons likely don't even make it the NBA Finals this past season anyway, and if they keep Billups, they're in a similar rebuilding mode two years down the line after the 2010-11 season. They would have had some cap space in 2010 but it would have been about $8 million or so. So, it's tough to say. The Pistons are far from being contenders, but they got younger and they've started the rebuilding process instead of having to hold onto the old core and being hamstrung for an extra two seasons before making any major moves.
I'm not crazy about the pick-ups, but I'll take it because it's a major step in rebuilding the team, and it was time to rebuild.
Not a bad deal. Slightly over paid IMO, but hes a good talent, and you have to overpay for good talent.
By NBA standards, I don't think that's overpaying for Villanueva. I think that's pretty good value.
Are you talking about $40M or $35M? I ready $40M on ESPN now i just saw its $35M in this thread le. Not that big a difference in the big scheme of things but, $35M sounds alot better.
I've only read and heard 5 years, $35 million.
Agreed. Anything just over/under the MLE is about right for CV as far as the market for players with his skills goes.
Sources: Gordon, Villanueva to Pistons
The Detroit Pistons made the biggest early splash in free agency on Wednesday, agreeing to terms with Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva.
Former Bulls guard Gordon will receive a five-year, $55 million deal, while former Bucks forward Villanueva gets a five-year deal for $40 million, sources told ESPN.com's Chris Broussard.
Gordon rejected deals from Chicago in excess of $50 million each of the past two seasons. Milwaukee elected to let the 24-year-old Villanueva become an unrestricted free agent earlier this week, after the Bucks determined that matching any restricted free-agent offers would move the team closer to the luxury tax threshold and limit changing the roster.
The Associated Press first reported the Villanueva signing.
Free agents can't officially sign with new teams until July 8.
Gordon, who was taken third in the 2004 draft by Chicago, led the Bulls in scoring each of the past four seasons. He averaged 20.4 points per game on 45.5 percent shooting last year. For his career, he has a 21.3 points per game average.
Villanueva, the seventh overall pick by Toronto in 2006 who has played the past three seasons with the Bucks, averaged 16.2 points and 6.7 rebounds per game last season.
The Pistons now turn their attention to re-signing forward Antonio McDyess, but they'll have compe ion from the Cavaliers, Celtics and Spurs.
Either way, not a huge difference. Just $40M struck me as a fair bit. Id still be happy with the signing though.
What do you think about the Gordon deal?
Ok that's the first time I've seen $40 million.
$35 million sounds better, but $40 million is still good value. Not as good obviously. But considering the MLE for five years would probably be around that $35 million mark, I'm still good with it.
Lukewarm about Gordon. That's the contract that I think was slightly overpriced but I'm not leaning either way, good or bad. I kind of want to see how everything else plays out with the extra $4 million or so of cap space and any possible trades that will follow.
Yes I think it's 11 for Ben and 7 for Chuck.
not a bad value for charlie V, especially if he cotinues to improve.
I do not care how Piston fans try and paint this, it is a massive failure on Detroit's part. They have nothing to build around. No Center, no depth especially at the point guard position and up front.
What cap space will they have to build around Ben and CV and Stuckey? Maybe if they are able to pull off some trades it could help and they will have some cap space next year as well, but are they ok with sucking this year? Then they will have to extend Stuckey soon. I do not see a plan in which building around CV+Ben+Stuckey will succeed. They had better be planning a trade or two..
The same b.s. excuse on how they could not trade Sheed because they were "in the playoff hunt" is now being flipped saying "they would not have won anyways". Bad job by the front office from coaching to players to trades to cap space management.
I forgot until right now that V and Gordon were college teammates.
Pistons, if these numbers are accurate, will be at 38M next year for their payroll. They will have:
Ben Gordon
Charlie V
Stuckey
Prince
Maxiell
Afflalo
Bynum
Sharpe
8 players = 38M and not a very impressive roster. Piston fans are giving too many passes to the FO. Coaching blunder after coaching blunder and now bad trades and cap mis management.
This is just inaccurate b.s. itself.
The Pistons didn't trade Sheed to the Spurs because if they did the deal many Spurs fans were suggesting, even if they waived Bruce and Oberto to drop their salaries to their only partial guaranteed amounts, the Pistons would have had about $8.5 million less in cap space this summer.
You can say what you want to say about the free agent pick-ups. They're not great. The Pistons aren't contenders. And they won't be for several years if even then. But, it's clear that they are rebuilding. Acquiring Oberto, Kurt Thomas, and Bruce Bowen would have not allowed the Pistons to pick up two free agents this summer. And, next year, there would still be no guarantee they get any of the big name free agents. Dumars didn't want to tank an entire season just to have a chance at a big name superstar. He wanted to rebuild asap.
Don't bring up that stupid about not trading Sheed, because it would have specifically affected the Pistons ability to make these moves this summer.
But the draft is deep next year.
Not a great roster. How many teams have a great roster the very first season after they go full blown rebuild mode? Hopefully, for us Piston fans, the moves they made will end up being solid moves two or three years down the line. We realize the Pistons aren't going anywhere for at the very earliest three or four years down the line. Nothing is guaranteed. It's not like acquiring Ben Wallace or trading Jerry Stackhouse for Rip Hamilton or signing a bust journeyman to run the the point were viewed as championship moves at the time they were made.
You're en led to your opinion but you are being quite short-sighted in your assessment.
Ben Gordon and CharlieV are good pickups but nothing that really brings them back into contention.
Pistons are a lost team right now...just getting by, maybe good for a first round exit.
Bulls are in trouble without Ben Gordon, lottery here we come.
Bust
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