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The problem is that they gave him 5 years...not that they gave him the full MLE.
He's better than Sheed at this point in their respective careers.
The full MLE for a guy who is only 24, has averaged a double-double anytime he gets more than 20 minutes per game, has put up a double-double in every career start? A guy who worked hard to go from second-round end of the benchwarmer to leapfrogging Adonal Foyle for backup C minutes? I'm not really worried about him being a contract year ho, and even if he is no better than Erick Dampier, he at least is being paid appropriately. I'm much rather blow the full MLE on a 24 year old Gortat than a 36 year old Rasheed Wallace who is just going through the motions out there. Good pickup for Dallas.
The problem is that they gave him 5 years...not that they gave him the full MLE.
He's better than Sheed at this point in their respective careers.
I agree, I think he's worth it, but five years is a lot of time with someone who is still relatively unproven. He's unproven even more so in the Dallas system. It's an iffy situation, but at least they pulled the trigger
Mark Cuban overpays for yet another average centre. Ho hum.
oops, my bad... old news, please move thread
They wanted to make sure Orlando wouldn't match. The full MLE to a guy who's going to play 12-15 minutes a night isn't worth it. Gortat is good enough to start for a lot of teams, and if something were to happen to Howard, it's not like with Gortat they could keep on rolling w/o missing a beat.
Even if he's a complete bust, it's only the MLE. With Dampier, they've been getting MLE production for over $10 mil/year.
This Aussie chimes in with a weak take. Ho hum.
Much better than the contract they gave to Dampier.
At first glance, I would say it has 'overpaid' written all over it. But Gortat has the chance to prove otherwise. So we'll know at the end of next season what we're looking at.
I think it's a great move for Dallas..the $ spend was necessary, and that's the going rate for somebody with Gortat's potential/skill-set..
most of these guys are getting paid more than Gortat, some of them significantly more, but see: Nene, Biedrins, Kaman, Camby, Bynum, Haslem, Bogut, Chandler, Dalembert, Pryzbilla, Bargnani, Haywood..
then you have the guys that are clearly overpaid: Diop, Nazr, Brad Miller, Jerome James, Ilgauskas, Dampier, KMart, Foster, Blount, Gadzuric, Etan Thomas, Brian Cardinal, Tony Battie, Eddy Curry, Darko, Collison, Krstic, Ben Wallace, Kenny Thomas..
I probably mixed some up, but it doesn't matter..Gortat can realistically end up on either list, I'm leaning towards the first, but that doesn't matter either..the point is, you clearly must s out some $ if you want a big man..
Hit a nerve, huh?
Gortat is a decent player, but is he going to influence the Mav's destiny? Not that I can see. Obviously you are happy to be paying over 6mil/yr to your 3rd big, and that's fine, but it's a typical Cuban move.
Your team is going nowhere, so enjoy your meaningless ad hominem attacks - they're all you've got when your team is in limbo, hamstrung by previous bad Cuban contracts.
It's a throwaway line that isn't relevant to the discussion at all.
What the does this even mean? Did I say we're going to be having a parade in June because of this move? He is a better player and better option at C than Erick Dampier. The team is better at the center position because of this move. Solid move, solid addition. Nothing more, nothing less.Gortat is a decent player, but is he going to influence the Mav's destiny? Not that I can see.
,Obviously you are happy to be paying over 6mil/yr to your 3rd big
I'm happy that they added a 24 year old with Gortat's skillset and potential for the MLE. Quality bigs cost $$$, and even if he's no better than Dampier, he'll be paid appropriately.
I would at least wait until training camp and rosters have been assembled before engaging in premature ejaculation. But that's just me.Your team is going nowhere
I am me and not you. That's enough.so enjoy your meaningless ad hominem attacks - they're all you've got when your team is in limbo, hamstrung by previous bad Cuban contracts.
It's hard not to agree with that... although that's not saying much. 60mil for Dampier was incredible and embarrassing at the time, and has been ever since.
You're not seriously comparing Gortat to Nene, Bogut, Bargnani or Bynum are you? Those guys on Gortat. Even Haslem, Biedrins, Pryzbilla and Haywood are significantly better players than Gortat at this point.
Gortat is a good backup, but I doubt his ceiling is anything higher than an average starter. He is pretty much Dampier all over again, although this time for half the price.
In this market the MLE was what had to be paid, but by the middle of his contract I think it will look a bit over the money.
In other words, hit a nerve. I guess I'd be pissed too if I were a Mavs fan.
"In other words, I refuse to rebut your arguments because I'm too lazy to back up my argument. I'll just go with lame team smack instead."
Embarassing.
Sorry?
I love how pretty much every other poster on the previous page said the same thing I did but you decide to have a go at me over it. Well done.
As I have explained above if you bothered to read my posts, Gortat is young (your grand argument as to why this is a fantastic move), but I also see him as having a pretty low ceiling. He has nice touch around the basket, is reasonably mobile, and plays with effort, but I don't see him changing the fortunes of your team one bit, and it will be interesting to see what his effort is like now he has 32mil in the bank. He has no range on offence, not much of a post game that I've seen, and it's not like he's a lockdown defender. He's decidely ing average. Well done, you now have Dampier Mk II for half the price. Maybe Cuban is learning after all!
Why would I want to make a habit out of it?if you bothered to read my posts
No, what I meant is that I'd be pissed if I were a Mavs fan and all I had to cheer about was signing Marcin Gortat. Yippee!
I really hope Kidd flees to New York. Let's face it, neither franchise is set to contend this year, so he may as well in the hope that LBJ, DWade or Bosh will join him in 2011 for a final push at a ring.
Well, if you want to claim that someone hasn't answered your arguments, you may care to read what they said first.
You're not covering yourself in glory here, I'd let it go.
To be fair, Gortat is STILL young and can improve. Damp or Diop never came close to the PER or per minute stats that Gortat put up.
It is a risk bc it is a small sample size, but comparing him to Diop or Damp is just not accurate.
He is already as good as Damp and has a greater chance to become very good. Not to mention your starting center got younger, better and cheaper. He is definitely not a "3rd" big man
The other posters made their points without being a . I called you out on it. Well done.
I don't plan on making a habit out of itAs I have explained above if you bothered to read my posts,
Thank you for chiming in, Expert Basketball Scout.Gortat is young (your grand argument as to why this is a fantastic move), but I also see him as having a pretty low ceiling.
Considering by all accounts he was an extremely hard worker in Orlando and leapfrogged Foyle for the backup job, and wants the opportunity to play more than 12 minutes a night as Howard's backup, I'm not worried about his effort.but I don't see him changing the fortunes of your team one bit, and it will be interesting to see what his effort is like now he has 32mil in the bank.
As for "changing the team's destiny," who the are you? J.R. Tolkien? He makes us better and at a reasonable price. Good move, and nothing more. You seem to be saying that the Mavs have to add somebody that will put them over the top for a championship with their MLE in order for the use of their MLE to be judged successfully. If that's the case, you don't seem to understand the limits of that roster move.
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No, I read you wrote. You started off by saying the Mavs were overpaying for him. Considering what Gortat is and is capable of, and the market rate for bigs, that is decidedly not the case, even if he ends up being no better than Dampier. Your argument is incorrect, but you're welcome to keep making it and amusing the rest of us in the process. Throw in some "My team is better than your team" smacktalk for good measure, since you guys ended our season and all.
It's a good signing for the Mavs. Decent bigs get the MLE and up. That's how it is. And by all reports out of Orlando, he was a damn hard worker, improving regularly and a great teammate. The consensus (by people around the team and Orlando fans who watch him regularly) is that he can be a solid starter somewhere. I wouldn't have wanted the Spurs to pay him the MLE, but it's a good move for the Mavericks.
Damp's per-minute stats the year before he signed with the Mavs were better.
I would not have minded the full MLE for the Spurs, but they are in a different situation than most teams. In win now mode, you must pay or overpay for guys who can help. Gortat is 2nd on my list (not that it matters
I do not think Sheed is truly worth the full MLE, but for the Spurs he is.
So, each of the posts above were being less of a " " than I was by saying "Cuban overpaid for another average centre. Ho hum."? Well done on your reading comprehension.
You asked me to counter your arguments, so I did. I don't see how you're any more qualified to comment on what you've seen of him than I am.
And for all of that, he's still decidedly average. Who do you see him becoming?
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