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    Isn't Quinton Ross a poor man's Greg Buckner? Mark Cuban might be having his worst offseason ever, and that's saying something.
    You're ting me...I think Gortat and Ross are solid additions. Ross is a good defender and 40% 3-pt shooter. Those two additions are not nearly sufficient for where they want to be, but how can you on adding Gortat for the MLE? Or Ross for a role at the end of the rotation?

    The offseason will be judged by resigning Kidd and turning Stack/Damp into something good. They have until August to do that.

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    You're ting me...I think Gortat and Ross are solid additions. Not nearly sufficient for where they want to be, but how can you on adding Gortat for the MLE? Or Ross for a role at the end of the rotation?

    The offseason will be judged by resigning Kidd and turning Stack/Damp into something good. They have until August to do that.
    Yeah, it's a dream come true to blow our MLE on an unproven backup who averaged 4/4 a night the year before.

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    Yeah, it's a dream come true to blow our MLE on an unproven backup who averaged 3/3 a night the year before.
    Gortat is a great pickup for the MLE.

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    The Lakers add Ron Artest for the MLE and there's debate if he might help or hurt them.

    The Mavs add Marcin Gortat for the MLE and everyone's ing in their pants.

    I guess we see where the bar is for each organization.

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    Gortats PER and per minute #'s if replicated would mean it was a good deal for the MLE.

    Big "if" though

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    magic gonna add sheed for the mle

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    The Lakers add Ron Artest for the MLE and there's debate if he might help or hurt them.

    The Mavs add Marcin Gortat for the MLE and everyone's ing in their pants.

    I guess we see where the bar is for each organization.
    You're comparing apples to oranges. The Lakers were the only team he'd accept the MLE for...and I'd rather spend the MLE on Gortat than Artest anyways. For all of his talent and skill, Artest brings a lot of other baggage with him. It's not a slam-dunk by any means they'll repeat with him.

    I don't understand ting on the Gortat move. Last year was basically his rookie season. Even if he never improves on what he showed in Orlando, it's hard to argue the Mavs will be reeling from the contract they gave him.

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    Gortat is a great pickup for the MLE.
    Gortat's potential is a great pickup. Gortat actual is a terrible pickup, along the lines of getting Diop for the MLE.

    If Gortat's production stays consistent with added minutes, it's great. Of course there's zero guarantee whatsoever he'll do that.

    He's not a proven commodity, he's another question mark going into next season. We had enough question marks as it was, I wanted something proven.

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    Gortats PER and per minute #'s if replicated would mean it was a good deal for the MLE.

    Big "if" though
    It's worth a shot. He's 24. Rasheed Wallace is 36 years old. Does anybody think Rasheed Wallace is going to put us over the top? There's no one single player available for the MLE that is going to bring us a le. Given our needs and what was available, I like rolling the dice on Gortat. We were deficient at the 2 and 5 last year. Gortat is an attempt to address the 5.

    Who else should we get? A "name" like Marion or Iverson? Neither of those guys shore up our weaknesses at the 2 or 5.

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    Gortat's potential is a great pickup. Gortat actual is a terrible pickup, along the lines of getting Diop for the MLE.

    If Gortat's production stays consistent with added minutes, it's great. Of course there's zero guarantee whatsoever he'll do that.

    He's not a proven commodity, he's another question mark going into next season. We had enough question marks as it was, I wanted something proven.
    Given what you can get for the MLE and what our needs are, I like the Gortat signing. The MLE is hit or miss anyways. I don't mind whiffing on this one if that's what ends up happening. It's worth a shot. Stack/Damp are the tools to land a bona fide guaranteed impact player, not the MLE. I'm judging the offseason on what they do with those contracts. Anything else is a bonus, and I think the Gortat signing is a good one.

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    the Gortat signing simply flies in the face of all the big talk Mark & Donnie were giving before the offseason started. All that "nuclear winter" and "very active" talk is all horse . Cuban contended that very few teams were gonna be willing to spend money, and the Mavs could take advantage of that.

    So far we've got Rodrigue Boobies, Gortat, & Quinton Ross. Nuclear winter indeed.

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    key word.... so far

    ROME WASNT BUILT in a day (or whatever the saying is)

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    the Gortat signing simply flies in the face of all the big talk Mark & Donnie were giving before the offseason started. All that "nuclear winter" and "very active" talk is all horse . Cuban contended that very few teams were gonna be willing to spend money, and the Mavs could take advantage of that.

    So far we've got Rodrigue Boobies, Gortat, & Quinton Ross. Nuclear winter indeed.
    You have to wait until the deadline to buyout Stack passes before judging their summer efforts. Then you can talk about what they did or did not do. Assuming Kidd comes back, they're off to a good start.

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    key word.... so far

    ROME WASNT BUILT in a day (or whatever the saying is)
    Wasn't burned in a day either.

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    Gortat can't sign until Wednesday right? Still time for him to pull a Hedo and ditch the Mavs for the Spurs maybe?

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    You have to wait until the deadline to buyout Stack passes before judging their summer efforts. Then you can talk about what they did or did not do. Assuming Kidd comes back, they're off to a good start.
    How much confidence do you have that they'll turn Stackhouse into anything?

    Maybe they can finish the offseason strong, but alot of other contenders have started it strong, while the Mavs have limped out of the gates with their pants down. As usual.

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    The Mavs are idiots for wanting this guy, but the Spurs and Rockets are not?

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    The Mavs are idiots for wanting this guy, but the Spurs and Rockets are not?
    The Spurs and Rockets didn't throw the entire MLE at him. The Rockets are looking at more proven commodities first (Ariza) plus they're in a whole different world of as it is. And the Spurs already made their big move that put them out ahead of Dallas.

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    How much confidence do you have that they'll turn Stackhouse into anything?
    Pretty confident. $7 million in immediate payroll relief is not inconsiderable in this economy.

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    Pretty confident. $7 million in immediate payroll relief is not inconsiderable in this economy.
    At least when they do fail to turn the Stack Chip into anything, Mav Fans will finally be united in belief that Mark & Donnie are completely incompetent.

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    These moves the Mavs are making don't make alot of sense. It was obvious going into the offseason that we either needed to rebuild or have a HUGE infusion of talent to make one last push. Signing a back up center and a dleague scrub plus turning damp/stackhouse into "something decent" is nowhere NEAR not even in the same ballpark as a huge talent increase. We're only cementing our mediocrity for a few more years before we inevitably suck ass again. Unless Lebron is coming here for Damp/Stack then I strongly suggest that we don't resign Kidd, let Damp/Stack's contract expire and free up money, and begin the rebuilding process. Trade Dirk while he still has value and let him have a fair chance at a le.

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    The Spurs and Rockets didn't throw the entire MLE at him.
    Houston used theirs on a Battier clone, and the Spurs apparently are going to give theirs to Wallace if he's willing. I'll defend Gortat vis a vis those moves.

    San Antonio turned their expiring garbage into Richard Jefferson. The Lakers being the Lakers, get to sign guys like Artest for the MLE, because of the allure of playing in Hollywood with Kobe. You can't compare the Jefferson trade to Gortat. You can only compare the Jefferson trade to the Damp/Stack chips. If August comes and goes and Damp/Stack are still on the roster, then the summer is a failure. Judging solely the MLE and LLE on Gortat/Ross, and reports that Kidd is most likely to resign with us, I'd say the summer is off to a good start.

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    Trade Dirk while he still has value and let him have a fair chance at a le.
    You have to sell tickets in this economy. Dirk is not going anywhere. And Gortat for the MLE is a good signing. He's not Wilt Chamberlain, but he's not a "backup" either. He could start for many teams.

    And how does the Gortat and Ross signings not make sense? They sucked at the 5 last year. Gortat is an attempt to address that. He might not pan out into anything, but all you burned was your MLE if he doesn't. Ross for the LLE is a candidate to crack the rotation. He shoots 40% from 3 and is a good perimeter defender. Haven't the Mavs always been deficient at perimeter d? He's another attempt to fill the role that George and Wright failed to do.

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    He could start for many teams.
    How do you know this?

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