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He's never been a starter so how do you know he could handle the starting role better than either of them?
Just start going through the depth charts of various teams. I'd take him over Erick Dampier. I'd take him over Matt Bonner if I were San Antonio.
He's never been a starter so how do you know he could handle the starting role better than either of them?
If we really needed a 12 minute a night big man, I know Gortat can deliver. We need a 30 minute a night big man, however, and in that scenario, all Gortat's got is potential. Which is exactly what my man Shawne Williams has.
All teams eventually have to rebuild when the party's over, that's a fact of life. It's also a fact that teams in the rebuilding phase don't sell a lot of tickets. If they didn't up so bad in the past and make our franchise such a joke then maybe there would be more loyal fans like us who would stick with them through these upcoming bad times.
The first phase of rebuilding is trading away all your older players who still have value for younger pieces/future chips like draft picks. We need to clear up space so that we can sign a big free agent and pair him up with a lottery pick/future star so that we can get this thing back on track once again.
If Shawne Williams doesn't crack the rotation this year I am just going to ING SNAP.
If I'm Rick Carlisle or Gregg Popovich, having already seen what Damp/Bonner are capable of, I would be more than willing to give Gortat the opportunity to show what he can do. And if it cost me the MLE if he showed he wasn't up to the task, so be it. I like this move and see little potential downside. It's not as if it prevents the Mavs from acquiring other talent, and it is an attempt to address a weakness from last year (not enough 2-way playmaking at the center position).
Gortat has put up a double-double in every career start. He's averaged a double-double when he gets more than 20 mpg. He played well in the playoffs. He's a center. He's 24 years old and this past season was for all intents and purposes his rookie season. Talk to any knowledgable Magic fan and they'll tell you he was an extremely hard worker who kept getting better and was a great teammate. Sorry, but that gets you the full MLE in this market. This is a solid move with little downside. Nothing more, nothing less.
Gortat was drafted by the Suns and then traded......that alone guarantees that he's legit.
I may be wrong but didn't we say that about the Diop signing a year ago? As we talked about what a scrub Mickael Pietrus was?
The move has downside.....anytime you sign a player to a long term deal there's risk
And they had little trouble moving that contract bc Charlotte inexplicably found him an attractive trade target. When the time comes, they'll be able to unload Carroll as filler in a trade. I just don't see what the big deal is. Sometimes teams hit with the MLE and sometimes they completely whiff. Given our roster needs and what was available, I like the Gortat signing.
I won't lie, if training camp opens and Gortat/Ross is all we did, I'll be ing pissed. But I will wait until the August deadline to buyout Stack happens. They have earned that much slack from me.
Of course, but they committed $32 million to Gortat. They gave $60 something million to Dampier. The downside is Gortat won't earn that $32 million, but that's a much less bitter pill to swallow than what Dampier has done...or hasn't done, as the case may be.
Does anyone else see the point I'm trying to make? it's not that Gortat isn't a good signing, it's the fact that a couple solid moves aren't enough to make us contenders. We needed a huge infusion of talent to do that, otherwise we're just ensuring a 6-8th seed for a couple more years before we suck ass again.
My point is that we haven't even reached July 8th yet, the first day to sign players. The offseason player movement season is not even underway yet. They have until August to get that front-line player with the Stack/Damp chips. If that comes and goes, I'll be the first one screaming about it.
I think this team needs only one more big time player to get back. Can you definitely say that any teams in the West other than LA/San Antonio/Denver are better than us?
If Cuban/Donnie can do something big with the Stack Chip (Which I have no confidence they can), this team can definitely be the #4 seed in the West next year, and if injuries plague other teams, you never know how much higher they can climb.
I just don't see them getting anything significant using Stackhouse, because they've done nothing since Nellie left that has helped the team all that much. To believe they WILL get something for Stackhouse just isn't smart, imo.
We need something along the lines of Emeka and Rip to fill the gaps at the 2 and the 5. If by August they turn Stack/Damp into that then I'll start thinking about getting my hopes up.
#4 seed? ugh that's just a 2nd round exit! Same as last year!
Boooo!
Then let's all hope that Avery does get the Detroit job, because he's a guy stupid enough to make a Rip for Jet trade.
Of course not, we're probably the 4th best team in the West as it stands. But the gap between LA and us is so big that it's just discouraging and leaves us with absolutely no hope of being in the mix unless we're able to do something major.
See this is where we disagree. A 4 seed with potential to make the WCF just isn't that appealing to me. Even when our teams were good but not great like pre 2006, there was at least that outside chance of going all the way. Now I just feel discouraged and I think after all we've endured, our fans and especially Dirk deserve to be able to hope and cheer for a championship.
Agreed.
Then in that case we're losing our 2 best bench players on an already weak bench in JET and Bass who probably isn't coming back. Now to be contenders we need a Rip caliber 2, an Emeka caliber center, and 2-3 serviceable role players. We're so ed.
I see a lot of disagreement and discontent
Can we all just agree that this is one of the 5 best songs ever?
At least the people with brains new that Diop was garbage and was not worth the MLE. Gortat does things that Diop could never do and thats dunk, make layups and rebound. He is probably worth a little more than 1/2 the MLE but the mavs are hoping his potential pans out. I wil say he has shown alot more than Shawne in' Williams could ever do.
If he ends up sucking Mavs will ship his ass out for another ty player who is getting paid the full MLE, i.e. Matt Carroll and the Mavs front office will continue to fail
You can't get Gortat for 1/2 the MLE. Not gonna happen.
Wasn't Diop signed cause Cuban had some sort of agreement with him prior to the Kidd trade? Idk where I heard that but it makes sense since no other team was offering him anywhere near that.
Nash needs to demand that Phoenix terminates his contract and sign with Dallas for the LLE to play his his buddy Dirk. What do u think DuncanownsKobe?
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