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    Cogito Ergo Sum LnGrrrR's Avatar
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    I'm with WC on this one. I think dude just wanted out of the Military.
    Mayhaps, but it still doesn't speak to the need/effectiveness of the policy.

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    Lame... another policy that puts the US behind advanced first world nations in social rights...
    which ones would those be?




    i agree DADT is stupid but i dont know much about argentinas rules for military sexuality, do tell

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    It's a stupid rule/law but the guy broke it. He's not going to get a free pass just because he wants to be martyr or something. I do think this incident makes Obama look bad because he parades around like he's a champion for gay rights but he's a total hypocrite and liar. If he truely was a champion for gay rights, he would undo the "don't ask, don't tell" policy and let gays and lesbians be flaming and open in the military. He would also make gay marriage legal or at least say that he supports gay marriage and not say that gay marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman. How do gays and lesbians support Obama when he hasn't done for them as president? He has publicly stated that he believes marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman. Why don't gay people call him out on that?

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    Ummm... they have called him out.

    And who are they going to support? Republicans? (lol)

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    which ones would those be?




    i agree DADT is stupid but i dont know much about argentinas rules for military sexuality, do tell
    Um, Denmark? Luxembourg? I don't know.

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    Lame... another policy that puts the US behind advanced first world nations in social rights...
    Perhaps it puts the US behind 3rd world nations which like to pretend they are "first world", like, um, I don't know....

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    The gays in the military should be awarded imo. They should get a special medal. Think of your stereotypical gay. Now think of him completing boot camp. I rest my case.

    In this day and age a 5 year old can pick up a gun and kill a 6'2 250 lb man in seconds. If a gay man wants to cover my ass on the battlefield, I say cover it and thank you.


    p.s. plz don't take that out of context and make it a sig.

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    Perhaps it puts the US behind 3rd world nations which like to pretend they are "first world", like, um, I don't know....
    like what?

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    The gays in the military should be awarded imo. They should get a special medal. Think of your stereotypical gay. Now think of him completing boot camp. I rest my case.

    In this day and age a 5 year old can pick up a gun and kill a 6'2 250 lb man in seconds. If a gay man wants to cover my ass on the battlefield, I say cover it and thank you.


    p.s. plz don't take that out of context and make it a sig.

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    300 translators lost to DADT is what Keith Olbermann reported tonight in his "Bushed" segment. He noted that given the $150,000 retention/recruiting bonus that this loss equaled a kewl $45 Million loss.

    He named the 'program' "Don't ask, Don't Translate". Taking it to the KO limit he suggested that the Neo-cons were more afraid of a Patriotic gay linguist than an Arab terrorist.
    @ Don't ask, don't translate.

    It does seem that pretty much every gay who joins the military goes for Arabic linguist, then gets kicked out. Those numbers are also incomplete, as this was an entry from when Bush was still in the WH.

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    Who has called Obama out on his hypocrisy on gay rights? I know that hardcore Republicans don't give a about gay rights but that's normal. Liberals and Democrats are suppose to be champions for gay rights. Obama is a liberal Democrat yet he doesn't give a about gay rights. He hasn't done anything about "don't ask, don't tell" or civil unions/gay marriage. I just wish people would call him out on it. Why does he get a free pass?

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    Who has called Obama out on his hypocrisy on gay rights?
    Gays.

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    Who has called Obama out on his hypocrisy on gay rights? I know that hardcore Republicans don't give a about gay rights but that's normal. Liberals and Democrats are suppose to be champions for gay rights. Obama is a liberal Democrat yet he doesn't give a about gay rights. He hasn't done anything about "don't ask, don't tell" or civil unions/gay marriage. I just wish people would call him out on it. Why does he get a free pass?
    You're right and its pissing me off. Its one of the biggest reasons I voted for him because I feel its a huge injustice. Its early, but I'll be quite frank and say to this point I am extremely dissapointed and he needs to step the up.

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    Who has called Obama out on his hypocrisy on gay rights? I know that hardcore Republicans don't give a about gay rights but that's normal. Liberals and Democrats are suppose to be champions for gay rights. Obama is a liberal Democrat yet he doesn't give a about gay rights. He hasn't done anything about "don't ask, don't tell" or civil unions/gay marriage. I just wish people would call him out on it. Why does he get a free pass?
    When you throw around the term "gay rights" it means they are recognized by law in a manner others aren't. That is nothing but trouble. We are all equal under the law, under equal cir stances. There are acceptable differences. Some people agree, and some don't.

    Did you know that giving extra protection to a group of people in the workplace over others actually makes it harder for them to get a job? Contemplate that for a bit before disagreeing with me.

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    When you throw around the term "gay rights" it means they are recognized by law in a manner others aren't. That is nothing but trouble. We are all equal under the law, under equal cir stances. There are acceptable differences. Some people agree, and some don't.

    Did you know that giving extra protection to a group of people in the workplace over others actually makes it harder for them to get a job? Contemplate that for a bit before disagreeing with me.
    So you're basically saying that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was unnecessary.

    The difference between de facto and de jure is obvious. Just goes to prove how little (understatement?) you know.

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    "Them darkies have equal drinking fountains and restaurants as us whities do. Once you start throwing around terms like 'black rights' it means nothing but trouble. We are all equal under the law, under equal cir stances."

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    So you're basically saying that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was unnecessary.

    The difference between de facto and de jure is obvious. Just goes to prove how little (understatement?) you know.
    How do you figure that? It doesn't specifically grant blacks legal recourse over whites, in fact the white firefighters recently won the supreme court decistion using the Civil Rights Act.

    I am talking about rights that target one or more groups over one or more other groups.

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    When you throw around the term "gay rights" it means they are recognized by law in a manner others aren't. That is nothing but trouble. We are all equal under the law, under equal cir stances. There are acceptable differences. Some people agree, and some don't.
    So you are against Don't Ask Don't Tell.

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    So you are against Don't Ask Don't Tell.
    No, and eliminating it doesn't solve anything. You have to change the UCMJ. Sodomy is illegal in the military, even a man doing it to a woman.

    It has not changed that you will be discharged for being gay. It just doesn't allow that question to be expected to be answered. I think it doesn't even allow that question.

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    No, and eliminating it doesn't solve anything. You have to change the UCMJ. Sodomy is illegal in the military, even a man doing it to a woman.
    No admission or commission of sodomy is required, one only need say he or she is gay.

    It has not changed that you will be discharged for being gay. It just doesn't allow that question to be expected to be answered. I think it doesn't even allow that question.
    So you are for gays' being treated differently under the law.

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    I want the name of least one prominent figure such as a politician/celebrity/powerful person that has called out Obama on being a hypocrite when it comes to gay rights. It makes me laugh that so many gays and lesbians voted for him back in November yet he hasn't done for them and he is against gay marriage. And yes, he is against it. Well, he has publicly stated that he believes marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman. How does the gay community feel about that? I just think it's funny how he bragged about being a champion for gay rights when he was running for president and he has also bragged about being one as president yet he has done nothing for the gay cause/agenda/movement/whatever the correct term is.

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    I want the name of least one prominent figure such as a politician/celebrity/powerful person that has called out Obama on being a hypocrite when it comes to gay rights...How does the gay community feel about that?
    You know the answer to this is probably no more than three clicks away, don't you?

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    It makes me laugh that so many gays and lesbians voted for him back in November yet he hasn't done for them and he is against gay marriage. And yes, he is against it. Well, he has publicly stated that he believes marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman. How does the gay community feel about that?
    So he wasn't a hypocrite when it came to gay marriage.

    Ok.

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    When you throw around the term "gay rights" it means they are recognized by law in a manner others aren't.
    No it doesn't.

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