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My mistake. I got the quotes confused. It is not about stoping ALL players, it is about being a good defender. I do not know if you are inebriated or just naturally dense that you couldn't figure that out.
Well, if we actually sign Big baby, the least we can do is give the guy a chance.
My mistake. I got the quotes confused. It is not about stoping ALL players, it is about being a good defender. I do not know if you are inebriated or just naturally dense that you couldn't figure that out.
dear sweet no
I really dont have any problem with them getting Baby since he has a decent midrange jumper. I remember posters here loving KT for the same thing.
If baby were able to cover TD defensively even for just one game, wouldn't that tell you that the dude was seriously paying attention to scouting reports and was able to follow through? I'd like Baby or Gooden for the 2nd unit.
Yes but KT was a superior rebounder and low post defender. KT's jumper is much better than Baby's as well.
Baby is improving and has hit big shots, so that is a plus.
Davis is as good a defender as slow ass Oberto, and that's what matters. "Guys" shot over Oberto as well but he gave the Spurs what they needed to win a le before Father Time and his bad ticker really caught up with him.
And I could be drunk off my ass and figure out that you don't evaluate role players as if you're constructing a fantasy league team.
Oberto's role is irrelevant though, because Duncan was the anchor of our D..he always made up for the other guy next to him..not to mention that Bowen is gone, and we won't have any stand-out defenders in the starting lineup other than TD..
again..do you Baby supporters believe Duncan can still dominate a game defensively on a consistent basis, and make up for the guy next to him?..
dear ing god I'd rather see Gooden back I hate that fatass
If Duncan can't be Duncan, then all bets are off.
It is not just about "shooting over". It is about total defense. Like I mentioned, he lets guys (although he has had a few decent spurts) get to their spots, he does nothing to alter their shots once they are there.
I will take a crafty longer Oberto vs a smaller, less smart, just as athletic version (neither could jump). Not to mention, Duncan of now is not the same as Duncan of old. He needs more help and cannot carry the defense like he used to.
You keep saying this random line about fantasy? A few things, none of the people mentioned put up fantasy stats. I have already said I would rather have someone who is a good defender (alters shots even without getting blocks, keeps guys off their spots, has some length to defend...). Also, as it appears now (with no rumors of trades and him costing the MLE) he would likely be a starter and not a role player as you say. He would be a role player in the context of him being an option, but he would be a starter.
I wonder if the reaction about Big Baby possibly joining the spurs be different had he not cried and the media taking it way out of proportion.
maybe davis will make a game winning shot in Dalls and push this annoying mavs fans in the first row?
That is what people are getting at and this is not true. Duncan can still be a super effective player, but he clearly needs more help. Even if he is the teams second best player now, that is a damn good option.
But you keep acting like Baby is a good defender based on the fact he will be playing next to Tim and you are under valuing guys like Oberto. Baby is not a good defender (and that is not fantasy) and Duncan needs help.
The bad thing about that is that Boston would wait 7 days, then match and we'd be left with no one.
If they sign Big Baby and also going by the other recent signings they are making, im guessing they are going to adopt the "best defense is a good offense" scheme.
Incorrect, as pointed out earlier in the thread.
There is no free agent big available who fits that. You find bigs who can give you what you need and who fit your team. Davis will certainly fit on the offensive side and he can get to his spots on defense and do a good job bodying up on post players. Better yet, he competes. Now yes, Oberto competes but Davis is obviously far more mobile and aggressive. As for brains, I'm not sure how Davis is any less intelligent, other than not having the craftiness of playing professionally for a decade. Of course, craftiness is a nice way of saying he no longer has it.I will take a crafty longer Oberto vs a smaller, less smart, just as athletic version (neither could jump). Not to mention, Duncan of now is not the same as Duncan of old. He needs more help and cannot carry the defense like he used to.
You have continually harped on Bonner and Davis' rebounding and shotblocking stats to prove that Davis is not a good potential signing. Those stats mean jack when you are trying to add role players who fit your team and help you win a championship. , I hope they sign Gooden and you can be pleased with his rebounding rate as he misses defensive rotation after defensive rotation.
You keep saying this random line about fantasy? A few things, none of the people mentioned put up fantasy stats. I have already said I would rather have someone who is a good defender (alters shots even without getting blocks, keeps guys off their spots, has some length to defend...). Also, as it appears now (with no rumors of trades and him costing the MLE) he would likely be a starter and not a role player as you say. He would be a role player in the context of him being an option, but he would be a starter.
I'm sure the front office is aware. If they are comfortable doing so, then they likely have other plans in place.
There's no one else in free agency who is going to make up for that.
Everybody goes on about Davis's poor rebounding numbers yet if they looked they would see that Wallace's aren't much better.
Wallace 7.4 RPG last season,
6.9 for his career
factor in playing time and they're about even.
yes I realize that Wallace is a better post defender and can stretch the floor, but Davis brings more hustle and energy and is only 23. But with that said I would rather have mcdyess than either of them.
Maybe the Spurs' biggest need this off-season was to get someone to take the pressure off of Tim defensively; someone capable of legitimately guarding the bigger, longer, post-players of the world.
Davis does not fill that role.
Blair should help with the rebounding but hasn't proven to be much of a defensive-player. He's capable of being that immovable object once his feet are set and he's between the his man and the basket, ala Davis, so he can at least force the opponent to make a shot over the top, but that's not exactly comforting. Especially considering the post-players on the current champion are skilled and coordinated enough to not have much of a problem shooting over smaller, stout, defenders.
So, Davis can move his feet pretty well and use his girth in the post fairly well when given the opportunity, but he's not a good defender. Nor is the foul-prone college player Blair, who will also have his rookie status going against him. (And please don't cite how someone plays Tim as proof of being a good defender. Anyone who watches Tim, especially during the regular season, knows how much harder he makes things on himself and how good average defenders can look on him from time-to-time. I guess he likes a challenge?)
So unless you're going to tell me that Mahinmi is going to be able to stand up to the bigger front lines of the world or that Haislip is all of a sudden the Bruce Bowen of 4's, the Spurs have got a pretty big void to fill if they're going to make Holt's money/generosity actually look like a wise investment.
Tim's health is a major concern going forward and the load of his, especially defensively, has to be lightened.
'Sheed was ideal because of what he did on both ends of the court (for Tim defensively and overall spacing offensively) but since he's out of the picture, they've got to at least find a legit big defender for Tim. (Trade or otherwise)
It's a must.
Sheed was washed up anyway, he knows it and that's one reason he chose to go to Boston so he wouldn't have to shoulder too big a load. If it was the Sheed of 6-7 years ago, it would be different. If we do get Davis, at least he can hit a jumper, has some spirit, and knows what it takes to win a ring. We still need a rebounding shot blocking big though. Those type of guys are really hard to find. Perhaps we'll have to settle for a good weak side defender.
Please show me where this was disproven? Even Timvp called it out that people would overrate Davis' defense bc of a game vs Duncan. Shocking he meant you.
Rasho? Dice? Zaza? None of those fit that? So now you are saying Davis is the best fit out of all the FA's?is no free agent big available who fits that. You find bigs who can give you what you need and who fit your team. Davis will certainly fit on the offensive side and he can get to his spots on defense and do a good job bodying up on post players. Better yet, he competes. Now yes, Oberto competes but Davis is obviously far more mobile and aggressive. As for brains, I'm not sure how Davis is any less intelligent, other than not having the craftiness of playing professionally for a decade. Of course, craftiness is a nice way of saying he no longer has it.
I have? Did I start the comparison? I used that as one aspect of why it is not good. I did not base my entire position on that. Once again for the 5th time, where did I say I want stats? Please point it out? I said I want defense (alter shots and be known as a solid defender). You keep throwing random "throw away lines" out there.You have continually harped on Bonner and Davis' rebounding and shotblocking stats to prove that Davis is not a good potential signing. Those stats mean jack when you are trying to add role players who fit your team and help you win a championship. , I hope they sign Gooden and you can be pleased with his rebounding rate as he misses defensive rotation after defensive rotation.
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