I remember the great Ronald Reagan, who responded to savage and unfair media criticism in the early 1980's by quitting the Presidency so he could focus on his 1984 campaign for President.
Damn, so the stupid who cost McCain the election and had no chance of being elected has now completely ed her chances of being elected.
Why don't ya'll just say you have mindless hatred of this woman and drop all pretentions that there is a rational reason for it. There's not one.
You simply hate her.
You have since the instant she was nominated. You just do.
Hilarious.
Seriously, Sarah Palin is the most galactically incompetent and dysfunctional right-wing politician on the national stage in discernable memory. She is a complete joke, a train wreck, a disaster, and a clown. People who think that liberals, or anybody else is "afraid" or her because she is some huge political threat live in their own deranged little world. People are "afraid" of her in the same way they would be if, say, Gary Busey, or Lindsay Lohan, or a guest on the Jerry Springer Show came close to the Presidency. She is Charles II of Spain minus the inbreeding. Her following comes because, despite lacking any discernable skill in governing, she has a lot of charisma and is physically attractive. That is it.
I think in a world with $150 oil, I could have governed Alaska better than she could, and so could most of the professionals who post in this forum. Now that oil is down around $60 and she has a national profile, it has become obvious that is in way over her head and has no idea what she is doing, even on the scale of her sparsely populated, folksy state. So she quit.
She just needs to go away as soon as possible, not that it's going to happen. She's sniffed the glue of fame, and despite what it does to her family, it's intoxicating, and she won't put it away. She'll keep sniffing. And, dontcha know, she's going rogue now, with no responsibilities to anyone, free to wreak havoc on the national party with her own brand of reckless stupidity, with no coherent agenda, no message control, no interest in policy, nothing but idle indulgence in this cult of personality which has emerged around her.
And who knows, maybe this slowly unfolding train wreck leading up to 2012 will be what destroys the Republican Party once and for all.
Marvelous.
Maybe you should actually find out if she's intending to run for President before judging the wisdom behind this move.
Maybe you guys have been successful in driving her from the political arena.
Pat yourself on the back stout, you proved she's not a real man like you are.
Eh the Republicans...I would not have voted for them in this past election if she hadn't been on the ticket.
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Strictly From a democracy standpoint, I certainly hope she doesn't destroy the Republican party.
As flawed our current political system might be, I think democracy is best served when there's a change of party in government. If anything, we need more parties, not less.
Like we could be so lucky.
Maybe she really is leaving politics, but is so utterly inarticulate that she can't even get the words "I am leaving politics" out of her mouth. However, I doubt it.
My biggest frustration is not with her. I mean, my goodness, I know probably fifty people just like her. Now, none of them should be President. My frustration is that deep down I think I understand her appeal. Now first of all, many, many people, namely white middle-aged men, are just so devoid of thought that they simply see this good-looking 44-year-old woman who can shoot a gun, wish they had her instead of their own wives, and think that by voting for her, it's like having her by proxy.
But more than that, I think there are a lot of people, like the fifty women in my circle who are just like her, who are just so beat down every day, because they are totally bewildered by the world around them and how fast it changes, how they not only don't have the skills to get a decent job in this economy, they don't even know what those skills might be, how their kids are ending up with values totally different from theirs, and they don't even know where it's coming from much less how to deal with it, and they see this lady, with no more knowledge or skills than they have, who has a family just as screwed up as theirs, yet who somehow became governor of a real actual U.S. state. When she gets on TV and can't put together a coherent sentence to answer a question, they see themselves in her because they didn't understand the question either.
And what that tells me is that a lot of conservative politics in 2009 is the iden y politics of people whose parents and grandparents were on top, relatively speaking, but who themselves are being left behind. Conservatism is not about any kind of ideology of smaller government or lower spending or lower taxes or traditional values anymore. Lip service might be paid to those things, but they are just empty words and empty ideas serving as shibboleths. Sure, there are think tanks working out how to reconcile conservative principles with today's problems, but nobody is really paying any attention to the Newt Gingriches of the world. Being an educated conservative defeats the purpose, because the rank-and-file have no idea what the "educated" conservative is talking about, and if he's "educated" then he's probably not being left in the dust by the modern world like they are anyway.
And if that's what conservatism is now, then conservatism is dead. We can look over and over again at history to see what comes of a political climate where a large group of people who think they used to be on top find themselves being left behind culturally, economically, and politically. Right-wing politics ceases to be about any kind of ideological "conservatism" and becomes populist and authoritarian.
But but, she's an incompetent idiot that cost McCain the election, how can her political demise lead to the destruction of the Republican Party?
As flawed our current political system might be, I think democracy is best served when there's a change of party in government. If anything, we need more parties, not less.
… I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the state, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party, generally.
This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but, in those of the popular form, it is seen in its greatest rankness, and is truly their worst enemy.
The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries, which result, gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his compe ors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of Public Liberty.
Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind, (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight,) the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.
It serves always to distract the Public Councils, and enfeeble the Public Administration. It agitates the Community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms; kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which find a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.
- George Washington
The destruction of one party is the destruction of both and both of ours need a little destroying.
al bundy scored 5 touchdowns in one game for Polk H.S.
"the wisdom behind this move" --- Whott-the-
For Whott, his Love is Blind for his stupid pitbull .
wisdom?
You wanted a clear and concise statement out of her, yet being the totally smart guy you are, that wouldn't have helped the situation any, infact make it worse.
"I'm leaving politics for good."
I'm sure she wouldn't catch flak for that Stout. Seriously, you should become campaign manager.
And about Sarah, being some mother who feels as though she's losing her kids? Wth?
I see alot of assumption on the part of Extra stout. First assuming that Sarah Palin didn't expect any of her children to fall and make mistakes. "Oh, no!!", seriously. What Sarah has gone through, many american families have gone through since the begining of time. People have free will, i know you know that, and we can only teach our offspring so much.
The fact that you have judged Sarah Palin's motherhood capabilities only on the simple fact that Bristol got pregnant, is highly assinine. You only proved that you can focus on the negative, and that you ignored the positive.
How bout the fact that her son enlisted in the armed forces? Why can't that be an example of success in the parenting of the palins? Why is it not surprising that condescending twits like you fell for the narrative of the democrat party in judging her family's good intentions on a mistake?
How is this different than any american family who goes through the same problems the palins go through.
Infact Why are we sitting here, knowing only little about their family, what qualifies us to judge their intentions?
I mean, ES, you complain about conservatism becoming all about iden y politics, yet you seem to employ that same mindset when it comes to judging a family.
Not too long ago, i even remember you ing about Newt, saying that you would never take the man seriously, and now you want him to be the voice?
You're harder to figure out than i previously thought.
Boutons part deuce, part corn."the wisdom behind this move" --- Whott-the-
For Whott, his Love is Blind for his stupid pitbull .
wisdom?
To tell you the truth, I don't think she's leaving politics either, I think she wants to find out where she stands VS the rest of the Republican Party. To see if she's going to be dictated too, or do the dictating.
She's already got the most politically active segment of the base behind her, the pro-lifers, you will not sway them from her. And they're the ones that go out and run campaigns at the ground level, not the wealthy business owners.
I think her appeal with that segment is that she has stayed married to her husband and still s him.....plus she's hot.My biggest frustration is not with her. I mean, my goodness, I know probably fifty people just like her. Now, none of them should be President. My frustration is that deep down I think I understand her appeal. Now first of all, many, many people, namely white middle-aged men, are just so devoid of thought that they simply see this good-looking 44-year-old woman who can shoot a gun, wish they had her instead of their own wives, and think that by voting for her, it's like having her by proxy.
But more than that, I think there are a lot of people, like the fifty women in my circle who are just like her, who are just so beat down every day, because they are totally bewildered by the world around them and how fast it changes, how they not only don't have the skills to get a decent job in this economy, they don't even know what those skills might be, how their kids are ending up with values totally different from theirs, and they don't even know where it's coming from much less how to deal with it, and they see this lady, with no more knowledge or skills than they have, who has a family just as screwed up as theirs, yet who somehow became governor of a real actual U.S. state. When she gets on TV and can't put together a coherent sentence to answer a question, they see themselves in her because they didn't understand the question either.
And what that tells me is that a lot of conservative politics in 2009 is the iden y politics of people whose parents and grandparents were on top, relatively speaking, but who themselves are being left behind. Conservatism is not about any kind of ideology of smaller government or lower spending or lower taxes or traditional values anymore. Lip service might be paid to those things, but they are just empty words and empty ideas serving as shibboleths. Sure, there are think tanks working out how to reconcile conservative principles with today's problems, but nobody is really paying any attention to the Newt Gingriches of the world. Being an educated conservative defeats the purpose, because the rank-and-file have no idea what the "educated" conservative is talking about, and if he's "educated" then he's probably not being left in the dust by the modern world like they are anyway.
And if that's what conservatism is now, then conservatism is dead. We can look over and over again at history to see what comes of a political climate where a large group of people who think they used to be on top find themselves being left behind culturally, economically, and politically. Right-wing politics ceases to be about any kind of ideological "conservatism" and becomes populist and authoritarian.
I feel your pain, unfortunately I don't subscribe to either party platform, or either political inclination, the whole collective thought block thing doesn't appeal to me. I'm anti-extremist(which makes me anti-democrat at this moment in time) and I considered an Iraq pullout to be as stupid as the decision to go in in the first place, that is totality of why I have voted Republican in the past 2 elections.
I personally think Sarah Palin is more popular than the Rebublican Party is at this particular moment in time, I think it's a huge mistake for them to go after her. I think it's a mistake to call her stupid or a quitter. Then again, the real case might be that she's about go after them so they have no choice.
My take on this past election is that McCain had not a snowball's chance in of winning this election and it is was only as close as it was because she was added to the ticket. I actually think it would have been closer if she'd been the nominee.
I think pretty much it was a done deal that Obama was going to be the next President and he had massive momentum in his favor...I think there were many people that simply weren't willing to change their vote that late in the game.
Whether you feel she's eloquent or not, she's got 10 times more charisma than McCain had and is the only one I currently see in the Republican Party that has a chance of matching Obama in the charisma department.
Elections are won by the better looking and more charismatic politican, and she's definitely better looking than Obama and I personally think she's more charismatic, but I realize that is not a universal opinion.
I will vote for her simply because I like her and her family better than anyone else I see on the political horizon and I'm sick of lawyers and Ivyleaguers running this country.
Jindal? I've never even cared enough to watch him give a speech. I doubt I ever will.
Same thing goes for Obama..........
You got that backwards. Her political survival is what can destroy the Republican Party.
I'm not against a little destroying. Reinventing the parties has been a constant throughout their lifetimes. What I don't want to see is a complete downfall. I don't think it serves our democracy.
Ignignokt, you have nothing to say and never have. You pretend not to understand what people write so you can erect strawmen. Some people are ignorant, but you just pretend to be ignorant because you have a gift for lies. And then, of course, whenever you get called on it, you revert to filth like a 16-year-old. You are completely worthless.
Please go walk in front of a bus or find some other way to kill yourself. It's the best thing you could possibly do for the world.
President Obama admitted that it took him four months to prepare for the presidency, and that's with him voting present, running nothing and campaigning on pla udes most of the time and silly jingoisms (Jingoisms from Obama = enlightnened, Jingoisms with SP = Redneck with ed up family).He ran nothing, he accomplished nothing except running for president while in office. Guy was given his own team to handle him, in which he had the power to control the message, not to mention an accomplished media.
Onto Palin, she went into the convention cold turkey, without any preperation, in control of any of her message, nor with her own devout staff managing her bookings.
She ran out corruption in alaksa, got her citizens money back, and was popular in alaska because of her policies, her accomplishments. I think her accepting the VP was her biggest fault, now that i think about it..
It allowed a vicous media to focus on every detail in her life without SP having any alliegances in Washington to stop any of this insanity.
and now what you get is, "her daughter got pregnant, she's ed up her family is ed up and oh my... i wonder why her ratings are down?".
The parties being destroyed is BS, I mean I've been rooting for one or the other to go down for years now...all that will happen is that a bunch of Republicans will become Democrats and the Democratic party will become more moderate not to mention dysfunctional.
What is there not to understand liar.
i am responding to this crap that came from your post.
If you didn't write it, my bad.
But you did, i called out your small mindedness and now you're acting indignant and wish death upon me.
Who's acting like the adult here?
The only party she polarizes is the Republican party. I've yet to find a democrat that likes her. I doubt she could run the primaries successfully, so that would force her to run outside the party, basically assuring slam dunk wins for Democrats, while leaving the Republican party fractured.
I think this is what ES was talking about and probably is the worst case scenario, but I agree it's completely plausible.
Just face it you little weasel, you judged her family by Bristol's action and now you look like a jackass.
So unless you had another reason why you said their family was ed up, unless you know something that we all don't know.. enlighten us.
Maybe she just thought, " it, this country of ungrateful ignorant herd americants doesn't deserve my time. I will retire in beautiful alaska with my beautiful family making beautiful millions of dollars. Let them waste away with their idiot government while I relax and enjoy life."
Right now we have a government that cares more about growing themselves than the economy. And you fools think it could be so much worse. You are a joke.
And ultimately that probably splits the Democratic party in two, with the blue dogs and moderates becoming the new "conservative" party.
Which is all well and good, except that what today is the consensus of the Democratic Party becomes the new "moderate" view, center-left ideology becomes the new "conservatism," and the leftist fringe becomes the new "mainstream liberalism." Which means that the public consensus becomes that we need an ever-expanding government bureaucracy to meet the needs of the ever-expanding government bureaucracy, which is of course an unsustainable way of doing things that inevitably leads to national insolvency.
Meanwhile, there remains 20% of the country, the old "right-wing base," which is getting left behind, now feeling totally disenfranchised, with the country falling apart around it.
This is a recipe for people to take refuge in a charismatic leader to tell them everything is going to be all right if they give him the power to fix it. This is a recipe for people to find scapegoats and start shooting at them. This gets into the details of why I keep predicting that is going to happen.
So phenomena like the Sarah Palin experience reinforce my sinking feeling that America in the 2030's/2040's is going to be like Europe in the 1930's/1940's, not specifically because of who she is or what she is doing, but because this saga makes the most sense when viewed through the lens of my most catastrophic predictions, and I really don't want to be right.
Where's the part where you admit to being a certified grade "A" jackass? I'm missing this from your nuanced commentary.
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