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    And oddly enough, Palin was the only major party candidate to have quoted Plato during the last federal election. But our definition of what it means to be "educated" these days naturally translates into which university did one attend. Are we to be comforted by the fact that the current Vice President has been a habitual plagiarist during his life, simply because he nonetheless attained one of those coveted trinkets of suburban life, a law degree?


    i hate agreeing with you.

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    And Biden does not, despite his decades in the profession? If one needs another example of how worthless formal education is as a measuring stick these days, look no further than the 43rd POTUS and his two magical ivy league sheepskins. "holy cow" indeed.

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    And Biden does not, despite his decades in the profession? If one needs another example of how worthless formal education is as a measuring stick these days, look no further than the 43rd POTUS and his two magical ivy league sheepskins. "holy cow" indeed.
    At least Biden can lie to you by stringing coherent sentences together, something Palin has, so far, been unable to do.

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    At least Biden can lie to you by stringing coherent sentences together, something Palin has, so far, been unable to do.
    if only it were lying!

    ask obama's PR department on that one.

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    At least Biden can lie to you by stringing coherent sentences together, something Palin has, so far, been unable to do.
    Great. So we have a liar with polished speaking skills in high office.

    By no means am I claiming that Palin is "smart," just that the rest of her contemporaries are overrated. Someone can speak fluidly and say absolutely nothing, or, as you postulate, intentionally mislead in a convincing manner.

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    Biden is a blowhard.

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    Great. So we have a liar with polished speaking skills in high office.

    By no means am I claiming that Palin is "smart," just that the rest of her contemporaries are overrated. Someone can speak fluidly and say absolutely nothing, or, as you postulate, intentionally mislead in a convincing manner.
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this is what we always had with contemporary politicians (and not so contemporary too).

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this is what we always had with contemporary politicians (and not so contemporary too).
    Fair enough. Then someone who comes from outside of the political/business/social elite cadre of professional liars in this country and immediately they are run into the ground due to their lack of polish.

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    obama and biden are both much smarter than you
    Not at all, but as long as you want to buy into the myth of the greatness of our national leaders, feel free.

    palin, i'm not so sure
    Ah yes, we can't have no dumb broads running anything. No surprise Hillary flamed out, even in the primary of the enlightened party.

    But I'd say Palin is clearly smarter than you.

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    writing off obama's intelligence as an illusion wrought by his rhetorical skills is classic veiled racism

    it's cool though brah
    It's "racist" simply because of the color of his skin? That's a rather stupid assertion on your part. But not surprising.

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    Fair enough. Then someone who comes from outside of the political/business/social elite cadre of professional liars in this country and immediately they are run into the ground due to their lack of polish.
    What is not to be expected of that?
    Politics is the sum of many, many attributes. Not all of them are forcefully tied to intelligence, honesty, altruism, etc as a good portion of us would like.
    Things like good communication skills, presentation, charisma, resolve, etc are undeniably key in swaying the electorate's opinion.
    For example, Palin has exceptional charisma and presentation, but her communication skills are incredibly bad. She could have the best intentions in the world, but if you can't communicate them, then you're toast.
    Now, it's a lot easier to fix the communication skills than try to change yourself into a charismatic person (see McCain, John). So she definitely has that going for her. That said, she also needs to work more on policy (also doable) and to figure out how to get the party together, and not splintered. I don't think she figured that one out yet.

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    so you admit that palin is smarter than you?
    I admit she's smarter than you. But you can take heart in the fact that since she disagreed with Obama, she's clearly a racist as well.

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    What is not to be expected of that?
    Politics is the sum of many, many attributes. Not all of them are forcefully tied to intelligence, honesty, altruism, etc as a good portion of us would like.
    Things like good communication skills, presentation, charisma, resolve, etc are undeniably key in swaying the electorate's opinion.
    For example, Palin has exceptional charisma and presentation, but her communication skills are incredibly bad. She could have the best intentions in the world, but if you can't communicate them, then you're toast.
    Now, it's a lot easier to fix the communication skills than try to change yourself into a charismatic person (see McCain, John). So she definitely has that going for her. That said, she also needs to work more on policy (also doable) and to figure out how to get the party together, and not splintered. I don't think she figured that one out yet.
    Sure. But think about the implications of that for this nation in its public and private affairs. If all it takes is someone speaking fluidly to convince the people, then the future looks grim.

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    I too am perplexed by this move by Sarah Palin. I don't see how a "quiter" is going to now make a serious run at the presidency. Then again she may just know exactly what she is doing and believes she has the support to get it done. Only time will tell but if any other republican contenders take her seriously they will seek out her endorsement faster than Sanford can have news conferences.
    I myself think it was a bad call if she wants to be president but a good call if she is out for the all mighty benjamins. She can make millions on a Palinista Tour.

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    Sure. But think about the implications of that for this nation in its public and private affairs. If all it takes is someone speaking fluidly to convince the people, then the future looks grim.
    I don't disagree with that assessment. However, there's always the possibility (and hope) that somebody with honesty, intelligence, altruism, etc as his/her strong traits come along which happens to also have great communications skills. I'm not holding my breath on that though.

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    seriously

    are you smarter than palin?

    or is she smarter than you?
    It's amusing that you believe this to be a salient point. For that reason alone I will let you continue to wonder.


    palin never dismissed Barack obama (the President of the United States of America, by the way) as a slick teleprompter-reading nothingatall
    True. Neither have I. But that line of attack was directed at the 40th POTUS, clearly because of the color of his skin.

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    I don't disagree with that assessment. However, there's always the possibility (and hope) that somebody with honesty, intelligence, altruism, etc as his/her strong traits come along which happens to also have great communications skills. I'm not holding my breath on that though.
    Yes, and that is why such ability should hold little significance in our society.

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    palin is not smart. she makes a complete fool of herself every time she speaks. sarsly
    The administration said today that they underestimated how bad the economy really was. And you want to criticize Palin's intelligence? sarsly

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    I too am perplexed by this move by Sarah Palin. I don't see how a "quiter" is going to now make a serious run at the presidency. Then again she may just know exactly what she is doing and believes she has the support to get it done.
    She became governor by quitting and then taking on her own party by going around party politics and taking her case directly to the people. It's not suprising she would try it again.

    I don't see any reason why she can't make it work if she becomes more fluent on national issues and can adjust her speaking style to appeal to more than alaskans. If she can't do that then she had no chance anyway so it really doesn't matter whether she resigns or not.

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    why are you afraid to admit palin is smarter than you?

    is it because she's a woman? because you realize she's a moron? or because you're completely delusional as to your own intellectual prowess?
    I'm never afraid or delusional. Try again.

    pretty sure that people called ronald reagan a smooth talker because he was a trained actor, not because he was white
    Perhaps, because at least there would be a reasonable connection between speaking prowess and training as an actor.

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    d. 4cc < all.

    You betcha you thought you had a point.

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    pretty sure that people called ronald reagan a smooth talker because he was a trained actor
    They didn't call him a smooth talker at the time. They called him stupid. Are you too young to remember that?

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    I'd have thought relations would be amicable between Marcus Bryant and members of teh Mookie Crew? No? Politics forum sure does bring it out in people.

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    that may be true

    i'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that deep down you know palin is stupid and don't want to admit that you're stupider than a stupid person
    Nanny nanny poo poo you stupid head.

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    She became governor by quitting and then taking on her own party by going around party politics and taking her case directly to the people. It's not suprising she would try it again.

    I don't see any reason why she can't make it work if she becomes more fluent on national issues and can adjust her speaking style to appeal to more than alaskans. If she can't do that then she had no chance anyway so it really doesn't matter whether she resigns or not.
    She's such a maverick...
    So she did all this to... quit?

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