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    She's such a maverick...
    So she did all this to... quit?
    She's probably like "no matter what, nothing will be worse than having 10 + % unemployment in 012"

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    She's probably like "no matter what, nothing will be worse than having 10 + % unemployment in 012"
    The thing is, she now set herself up for the quick and easy retort: "When the economy was bad, you quit on the Alaskan people to make millions on book deals and public speeches". She just made it too easy.

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    holy cow

    palin is not smart. she makes a complete fool of herself every time she speaks. sarsly
    Intelligence has nothing to do with speaking skills. In fact, quite often, the smartest people around often have poor speaking skills.

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    She had successful careers in both politics and broadcast journalism, two fields where public speaking is arguably the #1 skill required. There's nothing wrong with her speaking ability, if anything she's well above average.

    She's given hundreds of speeches and dozens of interviews that prove she is above average at it.


    Failure to incorporate these factors in your analysis of her speaking ability doesn't mean she's a poor speaker, it simply means you are either unware of them, or ignoring them.


    The same thing can be done with Obama...ignore Barracks's good speeches and interviews, take only his poor ones into account , then judge him as a poor speaker on the basis of only his poor performances.

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    Seriously, this whole thing strained my schadenfreude muscle... I will have to rest it for a few days.

    Must...

    restrain...

    unfettered...

    glee...

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    She had successful careers in both politics and broadcast journalism,

    A sports reporter for KTUU-TV and KTVA-TV in Anchorage is a "successful career" in broadcast journalism?

    That is the equivalant of saying that your local greasy spoon fry cook has a "successful career" in the culinary arts.

    (wipes tears from eyes)

    Thanks man. Please, oh please do not ever stop posting here.

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    Well, a very intelligent POTUS is currently dismantling our economy. Massive stimulus, govt takeover of financial ins utions and car companies, cap and tax and trade, and now pushing socialized medicine. And coming soon to Washington, another stimulus. And unemployment will crack 10% soon.

    Sweet.

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    BTW, I have a solid respect for greasy spoon fry cooks. They rock.

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    Well, a very intelligent POTUS is currently dismantling our economy. Massive stimulus, govt takeover of financial ins utions and car companies, cap and tax and trade, and now pushing socialized medicine. And coming soon to Washington, another stimulus. And unemployment will crack 10% soon.

    Sweet.


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    BTW, I have a solid respect for greasy spoon fry cooks. They rock.

    I have solid respect for community organizers.

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    I have solid respect for community organizers.
    Something we can agree on.

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    For the record, I think Obama is a lot smarter and a lot more polished than Sarah Palin.


    BUT, I happen to agree with Palin's political views more than Obama's. I really thought Obama was going to go centrist. Boy was I wrong.


    I also think Palin sees more eye-to-eye with your middle class American than does Obama. That is just my opinion.

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    A sports reporter for KTUU-TV and KTVA-TV in Anchorage is a "successful career" in broadcast journalism?
    Yes.

    That is the equivalant of saying that your local greasy spoon fry cook has a "successful career" in the culinary arts.

    It's more like saying a degreed chef had a successful career at the restaurant he worked at, regardless of the cusine.



    But you know why you are stupid?

    A greasy spoon fry cook has had a successful career in the culinary arts..assuming he didn't get fired for being a ty cook. You being too ignorant to know what the term you used actually means doesn't mean you are smart.

    Much like a cook being a greasy spoon fry cook doesn't mean he was a ty cook, or a bad one, or an unsuccessful one.





    (wipes tears from eyes)

    Thanks man. Please, oh please do not ever stop posting here.
    Hey, being pompous doesn't mean you're smart, especially when you are incapable of seeing past your own bias.

    You're a pretty stupid guy...you just don't realize it.

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    writing off obama's intelligence as an illusion wrought by his rhetorical skills is classic veiled racism

    it's cool though brah

    brah?


    I agree with RandomGuy when it comes to the use of this word, written or spoken. It's like nails on a chalkboard.

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    Oh well, she's never run for President yet and she's run as many campaigns to be elected as Obama had prior to becoming President. Actually more I think.

    The PG thing is still more impressive.

    10X.

    And getting elected President has nothing to do with leadership.
    I'm pretty sure getting elected, and hiring people to help run that process, involves some sort of executive leadership.

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    The parties being destroyed is BS, I mean I've been rooting for one or the other to go down for years now...all that will happen is that a bunch of Republicans will become Democrats and the Democratic party will become more moderate not to mention dysfunctional.
    I can't imagine the Democratic party getting MORE dysfunctional...

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    Fair enough. Then someone who comes from outside of the political/business/social elite cadre of professional liars in this country and immediately they are run into the ground due to their lack of polish.
    Is it any surprise though?

    Politics is a specialized field nowadays, and in any specialized field, if you don't know the lingo, the trade jargon, then you won't get far.

    If I was being interviewed by someone for a job, and I showed an inability to express myself properly, would I have a good chance of being hired? What if I mixed up my terms, or used them incorrectly or incoherently? I could probably expect to not be hired for the job.

    An election is just a national, drawn-out job interview, isn't it?

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    Sure. But think about the implications of that for this nation in its public and private affairs. If all it takes is someone speaking fluidly to convince the people, then the future looks grim.
    That's not ALL that's necessary, but I do think it's nearly always a prerequisite.

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    I'm pretty sure getting elected, and hiring people to help run that process, involves some sort of executive leadership.
    Maybe you should have brought that up when they were saying Sarah Palin wasn't a leader.

    Why didn't you?

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    Maybe you should have brought that up when they were saying Sarah Palin wasn't a leader.

    Why didn't you?
    Are we now retroactively holding ourselves to things we might have said, but didn't?

    I think Sarah Palin had alot of charisma, but under the national spotlight, I don't think she held up well. She seemed out-of-sorts, and somewhat paranoid.

    I also think that her communication of her belief in policies was limited as well.

    And I'm sorry, but the "All of them" answer was just stupid. Just plain dumb.

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    Is it any surprise though?

    Politics is a specialized field nowadays, and in any specialized field, if you don't know the lingo, the trade jargon, then you won't get far.

    If I was being interviewed by someone for a job, and I showed an inability to express myself properly, would I have a good chance of being hired? What if I mixed up my terms, or used them incorrectly or incoherently? I could probably expect to not be hired for the job.
    I know plenty of people who can express themselves well, but know how to do little more than screw in a light bulb.


    An election is just a national, drawn-out job interview, isn't it?
    Oh, you still believe we have an actual choice in federal elections.

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    Are we now retroactively holding ourselves to things we might have said, but didn't?
    Yes.

    FWIW, I appreciate the asisist on proving why Palin can be considered a leader.

    I don't necessarily agree with it real strongly, but it's a valid point with some merit.

    I mean anyone in an executive position is going to appoint people, whether they are leader or not.


    I think Sarah Palin had alot of charisma, but under the national spotlight, I don't think she held up well. She seemed out-of-sorts, and somewhat paranoid.

    I also think that her communication of her belief in policies was limited as well.

    And I'm sorry, but the "All of them" answer was just stupid. Just plain dumb.

    Politicians talk so much you can easily isolate a single statement, or a few select statements and focus on them to justify a belief...


    I can sit here and show you video of Obama claiming there are 58 states, totally unsolicited, in front a partisan crown, not just flubbing it, but deliberately, slowly and deliberately delivering that line, with thought behind it.....it is a totally inaccurate statement that could be corrected by children not even in school yet.


    Conversely, Sarah Palin is glossed as an idiot for saying she can see Russia from her house when it is totally factually true statement not to mention relevant to how she has lived virtually her entire life with her neighbor being one of the most massive world powers, that most Americans consider a far away land.


    What Barrack Obama said was legitimately stupid, what Sarah Palin said in that case was not. Nolr has she said anything remotely close to being that stupid at any point.


    I can also show you her giving a speech, her first National acceptance speech ever, before one of the largest crowds to ever watch a National acceptance speech, and the general consensus was that she "hit it out of the park". Further proof it was extremely well delivered were the multiple millions in campaign contributions and the drastic swing in the polls in McCain's favor that immediately followed it.

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    BTW, I don't think Palin ever attempted to present herself as an expert on all world affairs and aspects of the Presidency, most Presidents that came out of Governorships, and Senators with only 4 years of experience aren't either...and if they are trying to present themselves as such they are most likely lying about it and their success at lying simply means they are a good liar...which is probably not the holy grail of political talents to those wanting some sort of honesty from their elected officials.

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    I know plenty of people who can express themselves well, but know how to do little more than screw in a light bulb.
    Yes, but on the flipside, if a person can't explain how to install a light bulb, would you hire them to do that job if you didn't know they could do it already?

    Oh, you still believe we have an actual choice in federal elections.
    We have the same choices to hire someone that a job interviewer gets. We get to choose whoever is willing to show up and interview.

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    Why do we value intelligence over integrity these days?

    I'd rather my children grow up to be good, decent people than just have some super high IQ. Ideally, they'd have both, but being good is more important than being smart.

    , Ted Kaczynski was smart.

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