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a defensive specialist who played at SMU. He has played with the Clips and Griz. Think of him as a very poor mans Raja Bell
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a defensive specialist who played at SMU. He has played with the Clips and Griz. Think of him as a very poor mans Raja Bell
Damn, last thing i want to see, the mavs running the suns into the ground using SSOL... I want marion to stay in the east. Sure he's a product of Nash/Dantoni, but I think the mavs could figure out how to utilize him since the suns and mavs are similar teams. And he's a physical freak with long arms making him ideal for defense.
Spurs get Jefferson a scoring, slashing, ballhandling forward with their expiring contracts and we get Marion who is on the rapid decline, cant shoot, create his own shot with the Stack chip...As of now i dont like this move. its nice the mavs are trying to improve the team unfortuantely they have idiots running the front office
thats who i thought it was. has he agreed to anything? i havent seen much on him.
the thing is, the Mavs need a guy like Marion in the starting lineup. they already got two guys who are 20 ppg scorers, as well as several other guys who are capable of scoring 15+ any given night (Kidd, Terry, Barea, Bass, and possibly Gortat if he turns out as good as we all hope). What they needed a guy who makes a living off of hustle, and Shawn Marion is just that. he is a fantastic rebounder, solid defender, good at running the floor, finishes well, good pick setter, moves off the ball EXTREMELY well (alley-oops from Kidd), plays with lots of energy, contributes without ever needing the ball in his hands... exactly the kind of guy the Mavs are missing in the starting lineup.
Jefferson scores, but doesnt do else (although I'm sure Pop will get more out of him, cuz I dont think ive ever seen a coach that can make a player grow in areas that they typically sucked at, better than Pop). marion does everything that jefferson doesnt do, yet still basically has the same looking scoring stats because he lets the offensive opportunities just come to him. On the other hand, jefferson needs the ball to be effective.
I'd be incredibly happy to have Marion.
You just described the PHX Marion, if he was still doing that then i'd be all for getting him. However he is not the same player and ever since he left the PHX system his game has declined rapidly. On offense marion will probably sit in the corner and brick 3's. Sure he will get some offensive rebounds but his offensive game is very limited and a lacked up guys who can create their own shot on the Mavs is a huge weakness and puts a great burden on Dirk
This is where I lost you. Marion is going to REQUIRE to have his X amount of shots, wether ill-advised or not, to fill his ego quota. Otherwise he'll start mailing it in.
I think people are underestimating him. I think Dallas could utilize him very efficiently, especially if Kidd stays. I don't want him going there. Marion needs a PG that can pass the ball to thrive.
So you are saying you would rather have Stackhouse?
I think that having a healthy Josh Howard this year will help Dirk tremendously. And if Gortat can pitch in some easy buckets down low, that will be even better. Also, you don't realize what having a cutter like Marion can do for Dirk, because then it makes it harder to double off of him, when he can run around and catch alley-oops all day, especially when having a guy like Jason Kidd who sees everything.
And its easy to dog on him for lack of production when he had been getting traded midseason for the past 2 years, to crappy teams that he hadnt had a chance to really integrate into the systems. Yet he still was averaging around 14 and 8 on 49% shooting. I'll take that all day, if that is the kinds of numbers he puts up when playing like . IMO, getting the chance to play with Kidd, Howard, and Dirk, would help him get a lot more easy opportunities on offense.
You don't have to dominate the ball to get shots. He will get his open opportunities with Kidd setting the offense, as well as Howard and Dirk absorbing most of the defensive attention.
And I'm sure after having been bounced around the past couple years, he realizes that he's not the superstar he thought he was. Who knows, but I think he would be a great fit in Dallas.
Oh, c'mon. He's not that terrible. You're putting him on the Matt Bonner level.
Besides, this isn't the last move they make anyway.
Marion>>>>>Bonner>>>Stack
Yes its an upgrade talent wise but is it the best move personel wise? i guess we will have to wait and see
Yeah, thats all we can do right now. Personally, I think its a fantastic move though.
No it's not the best, the best would have been stackhouse for diva, lb or kobe. But crap...who's just giving away people...I liked the VC, Jefferson moves but if you look at what RC/Donnie are doing is bringing in NOBODY who cannot play defense, none.
This will be one heckacious rebounding, defending team I expect. We'll still have problems with quick guards but who doesn't and we should have beaubois, ross to tackle them in spurts.
VC, RJ do not fill the bill for defensive two-way players. Gortat isn't that wonderful an offensive player, but he's a good defensive one AND better than what we have in the middle now.
Josh Howard will play the 2 with no problem. He plays like a 2 for 3 quarters anyway.
People really over-value an expirting contracts...
It's a step up if they are just losing the reanimated corpse of Jerry Stackhouse to bring him in, but I can't decide if a J-Ho/Marion pairing is a long, athletic matchup nightmare for the rest of the league or a supersized costly mistake just waiting to happen in crunch time. Might well be both.
If all we're giving up is Stack and other fillers, this is a great move.
If we're giving up Howard or anything else of any value, this is a much less than great move.
Either way this will be nowhere near a Gasol/Jefferson type trade, but to be a good move it at least has to be Gasol/Jefferson-ish.
That's what happens when Kwame Brown can magically turn into Pau Gasol.
How will they do a S&T after Raptors renounce Marion when signing Turk? Besides what would they get in return? If it's only Stack's contract then they just lose 2 mil, doesn't make sense at all.
I've read that Colangelo and Marion are tight from back in their days with PHX and Colangelo would help Marion get the best deal possible
It's a good thing Dallas' PG is 3rd all time in career assists.
This might be true, but when they officially sign Hedo, they'll have to renounce Marion's rights , thus making a S&T impossible.
Here's the link : http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4305310
They can't sign Hedo and S&T Marion. One or the other.
Last edited by BG_Spurs_Fan; 07-07-2009 at 09:47 AM.
Good deal for Dallas if it happens.
Perhaps they do it before signing Hedo. So that would mean they have to do it today.
I don't know how it works under the CBA, but whatever they're discussing is legal:
http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullColumn.php?id=1806
They can't do both in either succession. If they S&T Marion, they can't sign Hedo.
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