Nevermind
Is this the best you can do? I expected better from somebody that claims to have read the Qur'an.
I do break a bunch of commandments every day. Namely 1 to 4 (using Jewish numbering). I'm doing just fine, thank you.
The reason I might not be breaking any more has nothing to do with the tables of the Covenant that supposedly Moses received from God. I simply do what I personally think is proper and lawful, and that's the end of that.
Furthermore, you can't claim WHEN I made my mind with regards to anything related to the Bible, because you simply don't know me. So you're basically talking out of your ass. Again. Like you always do.
Last, but not least, it bears no logic whatsoever that the authenticity of the story told in the Bible, even if historically inaccurate, can be determined by breaking or not breaking the ten commandments, as you imply on your re ed post.
Now, please go ahead and attack me personally, like you always do. Your act is so old and washed up, it's just not as comical anymore. In the meantime I'll consider if you're worth any more of my time.
That got a of a chuckle out of me.
no !!!? Really???
Should I worry about all the commandments, or the ones that Jesus said were the most important? Those are the ones I tend to stick to, as those are basic building blocks for societies to function.
I do take a name in vain, and draw graven images. And of course, I don't believe in the first place, so that's a biggie.
You should only worry about the ones that were copied correctly.
Exactly.
What I said was plenty good enough to on your blanket statement.
Do you know what the word "every" means? Or do you just need glasses?I expected better from somebody that claims to have read the Qur'an.
I do break a bunch of commandments every day. Namely 1 to 4 (using Jewish numbering). I'm doing just fine, thank you.
I can assure you if you go break every commandment, you will find very real negative results from doing so, no matter where you live.
"Every"...I can point you to a dictionary if you, need a link.
Go kill someone, lie, cheat on your wife, live that as your creed, then tell me the bible is simply a fairytale, as you claimed.
The reason I might not be breaking any more has nothing to do with the tables of the Covenant that supposedly Moses received from God. I simply do what I personally think is proper and lawful, and that's the end of that.
Furthermore, you can't claim WHEN I made my mind with regards to anything related to the Bible, because you simply don't know me. So you're basically talking out of your ass. Again. Like you always do.
I didn't say WHEN you made your mind...I just congratulated you on that realization and suggested you share the experience with my 10 year old nephew who just arrived at a similar one. I was sincere.
Last, but not least, it bears no logic whatsoever that the authenticity of the story told in the Bible, even if historically inaccurate, can be determined by breaking or not breaking the ten commandments, as you imply on your re ed post.
You made a sweeping statement on the bible, it got stuck up your ass...admit it, rephrase or get it stuck up your ass further...
I can assure you many of the incidents in the bible actually happened...since your blanket statement that it is a "fairytale" means it is a work of complete fiction, perhaps you should have chosen your words more wisely to avoid backpedaling.
Last edited by whottt; 07-07-2009 at 10:28 AM.
Is the word "every" kicking your ass too?
I realize you guys think you are clever because you break some of them and aren't immediately struck down by lightning...I say "every" because I feel perfectly sure that if you break every, you will get something very akin to the lightning you seek, no matter where you live.
Don't be a pussy about it...break them all. Show us how meaningless and fictional they really are.
And how you won't get struck by lightning.
I don't break every commandment because I would prefer not to be a lying, theiving serial killer. There's nothing being "pussy" about it.
I follow these words of Jesus moreso than the Commandments.
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
Jail time = lightning? I only ask because you guys have a knack for turning random things into miracles. I've broken every commandment except killing someone and humping animals. My house was struck by lightning once but that's about it.
Interesting. I'll have to check it out.
We're very familiar with your posts being full of .
Under certain cir stances, you can do all those things you list above (kill, lie, cheat) without consequences in the society we live in. Or are you THAT disconnected from reality?
That I choose to do or not to do one or more of those things has absolutely no bearing on the authenticity of the story in the bible.
Get it through your thick skull:
I honestly believe that the story told on the bible is a fairy tale.
Now, why don't you go ahead and be the intolerant we know you can be?
I misread. I took the 'too' to mean I just realized it too.
Congratulations about your 10 year old nephew. I'm sure your 8 years old mentality and him have a lot to talk about.
fairy tale
Function: noun
Date: 1749
1 a: a story (as for children) involving fantastic forces and beings (as fairies, wizards, and goblins) —called also fairy story b: a story in which improbable events lead to a happy ending
2: a made-up story usually designed to mislead
From the Dictionary
Let's try another dictionary:
fairy tale
n.
1. A fanciful tale of legendary deeds and creatures, usually intended for children.
2. A fic ious, highly fanciful story or explanation.
From another Dictionary
Now, I want you on the record stating that fictional works are never based of or partially contain actual events. Because that's what you stated up there, and I think you might want to retract that. I don't know, maybe you weren't thinking when you wrote that, or you simply didn't know what a 'fairy tale' is.
Furthermore, your point is even more disingenuous, because I did claim parts of it might actually be actual events before even you made your first post on this subject. Which clearly means you're a certified re .
I'm still waiting for your explanation of how breaking all commandments gives the bible any more or less authenticity. I know you like to get your ass kicked repeatedly, but this would be a lot shorter if you just answered that claim.
I think I made my position fairly clear here. I don't expect anybody to agree or not with me. I only wanted to congratulate Extra Stout on a great write up, and I frankly have little time to keep toying with whottt.
I'll be glad to continue discussing this topic in this thread with other posters.
You mean you don't need to fear a higher being to be a good person? Irrational I say!
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I also obviously enjoy misspelling the word "Thieving"
That's the one thing I don't get, is when Christians say things like, "If there were no God, I'd do whatever I want"... and then they have the nerve to say they're more moral than I am.
Morality is not about being rewarded for eternal life by following rules. Morality is about doing what is right, because it is right.
People can have differing opinions on what is moral and what isn't, and that's perfectly fine and acceptable to me. Basing your morality only on a punishment/reward system isn't.
See sig for my bias.
But it really is pretty idiotic and naive to think that the fairy tale anthology aka christian bible hasn't been relentlessly altered throughout the hundreds of years its been around. That alone renders it meaningless (when we talk about metaphysics) to me especially since its been used to control people and changed to fit the controller's bidding imo.
The christian bible is like an unlocked wiki page that only the corrupt elite were able to change since it was only the rich and those in power who possessed the ability to read, write, and interpret the fiction.
Oh and just so I don't get crucified here as much, I consider the bible to be somewhat of a historical fiction work like 'Forrest Gump' meaning that there's some truth behind it with historical people and what not --- its just been retold as a seemingly fantastic and amazing story.
Why? It doesn't really matter...you can do whatever you want. What are you afraid of?
Prove to me it's just a fairytale, go lie, kill, steal, become an alcoholic, and show me it's all just fiction?
And if you bring up laws, I am just going to point out these commandments existed before modern concepts of law, and were in fact the law for many cultures.
And the basic laws of Western Civilization are built upon these fictional commandments.
In fact I look around the world and I the civilizations built upon the foundations of these commandments, are the most successful civilizations in history.
What is so fictional about it?
Sure there is, you're saying it's all fiction, fairytales told children...There's nothing being "pussy" about it.
Go prove it.
Anyone can anything, proving it is another entirely.
What words are those?I follow these words of Jesus moreso than the Commandments.
Maybe, maybe something else. Divorce. Isolation, Addiction.
I only ask because you guys have a knack for turning random things into miracles.
I hate to break it to you, but the bible is largely from Pre-Scientific civlilization...I don't why you guys expect it to use the terminology we use now.
A flashlight would real like a miracle based on their ability to describe it
Furthermore, thes stories are meant be told to children as well adults, so of course they are going to be simplified.
Add in the fact that languages don't directly translate to one another, that these tales have been transferred from one culture to another...
And of course this book is not going to read like a scince or history book...
Yet I want you explain to me how a culture that had no sciences like archaeology, biology or anthropology knew that plant life came before animal life, sea life came before land life...
That the Sun came before the Earth.
Then tell me it's just a fairy tale.
You've cheated on your wife?I've broken every commandment except killing someone and humping animals. My house was struck by lightning once but that's about it.
Tell her?
Then go do it again. Then when she finds about it, continue doing it, lie about it.
Start lying to everybody you know.
Try stealing from your friends and neighbors...
Or hey just try this...
Hop on over to the Pakistan Afghanistan Border region and starts saying things like Jesus and god suck s...
Then you get back to me and tell me if I am just talking about jail time or not.
The bible is the leading text of pre-science, pre-written history and from the dawn of Western culture, by and large, it has been the essential foundation of biolcultural evolution for a millenia. Western civilization is built upon it's mythology and codes...
It most definitely is much more than simply a fairy tale...
And as for the stories...depends on which ones you are talking about, there are tons of stories about a a flood in the area where Mesopotamia was...this story has transferred cultures and civlizations...
Pretty sure it's more than just a fairy tale, and if it is, it's one of the most important ones since it's been around as long as we have been able to talk.
Last edited by whottt; 07-07-2009 at 12:19 PM.
I'm not moral because I'm 'afraid' of something. I'm moral because it is the 'right' thing to do.
Doing so wouldn't prove or disprove such. You know that.
And these laws were in existence before the Commandments as well, I'm sure. Anywhere where there is a society of people living together, certain laws are nigh-universal. Laws against killing, stealing, thieving and lying are also essential to basic societies.
Yes, they were. It is a very historical and important do ent, as well as a basis for further evolution of morals. However, I think you'll find that the ones I bolded tend to be the basis of Western Civilization's laws moreso than the others.
What is so fictional about what? The Bible? Or the stories contained therein? Or the overlying explanation of these stories?
I'm not saying it's all fiction. More like "based on a true story" movies. The truth is stretched.
I don't have to prove or disprove I am a 'pussy' to you, nor anyone else. You may believe what you wish.
The text I posted below that very comment, in large and bold letters.
I'll give you guys 10 bucks a piece if you go kill a pig and eat it without cooking it.
Nothing immoral about it.
I mean, it's just a fairytale.
Well, that's double re ed coming from a dogmatic person considering that if God is the one that gives you free will in the first place, then you certainly cannot do whatever you want if there was no God.
Actually, the Sun came after Earth was created.
The most amazing thing that the Bible did in regards to technology, I've found, was its support of washing and good hygiene.9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
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