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I don't know if this counts as an argument, but I'm glad I was. I'd hate to go through that procedure as an adult.
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Hey all,
So, as you might know already, I will be having my first child soon. He's due October 21st.
After getting past the naming debate (Devin), we're trying to decide whether or not to cir size him, i.e. is it ethical?
Up until a few years ago, it was deemed that cir cision was healthier for the child. However, recently I've seen a few articles that state that uncir sized children are just as healthy as those who are.
If you want to look at this from a broader perspective, the question is this: Am I ethically justified in performing ANY sort of cosmetic procedure on my child, especially one that has no strong medical benefits?
Ethically speaking, I'm inclined to say no. But culture, as well as the fact that uncir sized penises *look gross* to me, would have me say yes instead.
What do the board regulars think?
Edit: Can a mod please fix the spelling on the le?
Last edited by LnGrrrR; 07-07-2009 at 12:35 PM.
I don't know if this counts as an argument, but I'm glad I was. I'd hate to go through that procedure as an adult.
Is this really a question from you, LnG?
If so, Im surprised. Ethics and morals play no part...its entirely up to you and your family, period.
BTW, every time I see your name I think of Guns 'n' Roses (GnR). Dont ask why.
Cir cision significantly reduces the risk of HIV acquisition by men during penile-vaginal sex. That's a medical benefit.
You think so DR?
I mean, let me put it this way. Say a family wishes to cut off a child's ear due to a cultural/religious/etc reason. Would you say that's ethically acceptable?
Ah, I see that now.
I guess I'm slightly worried that my child will be one of the rare cases where the surgery is botched. I'm not sure how I'd deal with that, if that were the case.
I had neither of my boys (one is 15, the other 8) cir cised. There have been NO, ZERO, NADA negative consequences from that decision. No infections, no teasing - nothing.
Forget morality or any other reasons - why put your son through that procedure if it isn't necessary?
I remember seeing this really gross Penn & Teller "Bull " where they argued over this.
This one guy who was cir sized put a metal weight on his penis so he could grow back his foreskin. Bleh.
Here's a helpful link: http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/fac...r cision.htm
Anyway, think about it like this. You're not contemplating cir cising him so that his penis is beautiful to you, right? You're doing this for him. His best interests should prevail.
Is it healthier to be cir cised? I would say yes.
Do women get grossed out by uncir cised penises? Yes, some of them do. Do any women get grossed out by cir cised penises? I don't think so, I've never heard of it.
So . . .
1. There are medical benefits.
2. Cir cision will likely help him emotionally and sexually when he's an adult. To a small degree, perhaps.
Obviously, there are some people who reasonably conclude that cir cision is painful and unnecessary. That's fine. A perfectly good reason not to do it.
While I get the analogy youre trying to make, ears are used to "cup" sound so your ear drum can work its magic effectively.
Foreskin is used for ______.
Found it:
If you are cir sized, it may seem odd to your son if he isn't. Little boys identify with their dads. I don't think there's anything moral or ethical to it. Medical professionals debate the benefits of tonsillectomy, immunization all the time; gather all the info you can but ultimately it is up to you to make the best decision for your child. You have no reason to feel guilt over either decision.
Along that line, I am quite sure being passed through a pelvic bone hurts like , too. Or that having your umbilical cord tied might cause a slight discomfort...dont believe me? Push or pull reeeeeal hard on your belly button right now. Odd feeling, isnt it?
Cir cision isnt necessary and I dont pretend to think one should or should not, but using pain as a reason not to seems kind of weak to me.
Some of the majesty and wonder of early childhood (like as in, immediately post-birth) is that we as a species dont remember from it.
The only reason we know cir sicion hurts is because its pain, and pain is something we can relate to and remember from our own experience. If youve never broke your leg or even a bone in your body, you could still easily empathize with someone who has a cast on.
Babies cant do that. They feel pain, they just wont remember it or even be able to cognicize until much later about what something like that would feel like.
But again, this is your family's choice. Do as you will, the boy will be fine one way or the other.
my friend got his done when he was an adult 21 i think....they give u anesthesia or some cream on it and cut it....
Well, I've heard that keeping the foreskin increases the pleasure of sex.
But on another note, even if it had no medical drawbacks, is it ethical to take the risk of a botched surgery on?
(If you can't tell, I'm slightly nervous about becoming a father.)
That's another point... theoretically he could get it done when he's older.
But, let's say you weren't cir sized. Would you be willing to go through that pain, and the risk of someone screwing up, in order to perform what is basically a cosmetic procedure? I'm not sure about you, but I'd probably say no.
Now I have to decide it for my kid.I probably will, and be happy that he won't remember it. But it's good to examine my thoughts against you guys here, and help me firm up or discard my beliefs. We've got a vast crowd of different beliefs here, and it's nice to hear from the spectrum.
I am cir cised, by boys are not. It has NEVER come up.
They said that ribbed condoms are actually designed to mimic the feeling of having sex with a guy with foreskin. That Penn and Teller doc said it decreases the area of a penis by like 20 something percent.Well, I've heard that keeping the foreskin increases the pleasure of sex.
But on another note, even if it had no medical drawbacks, is it ethical to take the risk of a botched surgery on?
(If you can't tell, I'm slightly nervous about becoming a father.
If it's not too personal, might I ask why you and your spouse chose not to cir size them?
First and foremost, congratulations on being a dad!
Where I come from, cir cision is pretty much only done by jewish people because of their tradition. Nobody else I know had it done (including me).
The first time I heard about any health benefits was when I came to the US.
I just wanted to give you a perspective from somebody from somewhere else.
I honestly think that this is just a minor issue. Whatever you do will probably be right, because you will be doing it with the best intentions for your child. And by the time he grows up and understands the meaning of doing it or not, he'll be thinking about pussy, and not much else...
Whatever you decide don't base the decision on what Penn & Teller think...jeez.
Personally I think the benefits outweigh the risks.
I've never known a girl who didn't think an uncir cised penis was gross.Cir cision for baby boys: Weighing the pros and cons
If you have a baby boy, you'll need to decide whether to have him cir cised. Consider the pros and cons.
By Mayo Clinic staff
Cir cision is the surgical removal of the skin covering the tip of the penis. The procedure is fairly common in certain parts of the world, including the United States and Canada. But is it right for your son? Here's help making an informed decision.
Opinions are mixed
For some parents, cir cision is a religious ritual. It can also be a matter of family tradition, personal hygiene or preventive health care. For others, however, the procedure seems unnecessary or disfiguring.
In 1999, the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) issued a policy statement that says the benefits aren't strong enough to recommend routine cir cision for all male newborns. Today, the AAP leaves the decision up to parents — and supports use of pain relief for infants who have the procedure.
The benefits
Cir cision may have health benefits, including:
Easier hygiene. Cir cision makes it easy to wash the penis — although it's simple to clean an uncir cised penis, too.
Decreased risk of urinary tract infections. The risk of urinary tract infections in the first year is low, but these infections may be up to 10 times as common in uncir cised baby boys. Severe infections early in life can lead to kidney problems later on.
Prevention of penile problems. Occasionally, the foreskin on an uncir cised penis may be difficult or impossible to retract (phimosis). This can also lead to inflammation of the head of the penis.
Decreased risk of penile cancer. Although cancer of the penis is rare, it's less common in cir cised men.
Decreased risk of sexually transmitted diseases. Safe sexual practices remain essential, but cir cised men may have a slightly lower risk of certain sexually transmitted diseases — including HIV, the virus that causes AIDS.
The drawbacksCir cision also has drawbacks, including:
Surgical risks. Excessive bleeding and infection are uncommon, but possible. The foreskin may be cut too short or too long or fail to heal properly. If the remaining foreskin reattaches to the end of the penis, minor surgery may be needed to correct it.
Pain. Cir cision hurts. Local anesthesia can block nerve sensations during the procedure.
It is a personal if not religious choice but I don't recommend it.
Because it was unnecessary surgery. It causes immediate pain and a lack of pleasure (allegedly), for questionable, if any, benefits. It's been 15 years now, and I've never had reason to question the decision.
Not to be a prick, but it will when they see their first porn.
...hope I didnt step over any bounds there...
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