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    All I can say is I am really pissed about the governmental indoctrination centers that our children are forced to participate in. Sure, if you have enough money, you can go to private schools, or home school. Conservatives want to make it easier to get vouchers for choice of school and liberals always fight it. Interesting how most the kids graduation are registering democrat, and how they are trained in the socialist ways.
    Do you believe it is solely "governmental indoctrination"?

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    Do you believe it is solely "governmental indoctrination"?
    Of course not. Anyone who has enough money can influence the school boards as well. They actually go teach our High School graduates to about the equivalent of a 7th grade education of the 50's.

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    Of course not. Anyone who has enough money can influence the school boards as well. They actually go teach our High School graduates to about the equivalent of a 7th grade education of the 50's.
    So you think those aims other than the provision of a quality education are a (relatively) new phenomenon?

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    Good for this girl. I find it amsuing that the shirt had the potential to spark actual debate (which could promote learning) about a particular subject, and it's now being taken down.

    Junior high and high schools are quickly becoming one of the worst places to go for actual knowledge in the country.
    Shouldn't you be condemning this girl for sparking hate crimes against abortion clinics and blacks?

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    ...distractions that dont align with your political/social view.

    Admit it, a genous school setting is a pipedream. To even pretend the possibility exists is preposterous.

    This young student obviously has an opinion. That she chose to share it isnt a bad thing, even when that opinion contradicts your own.

    Half the problem with school is the sanitation of its atmosphere from the real world. Children should not be shielded from reality, in actuality, they should be shown every horror of this world at a young age, IMO.
    I don't want any distractions at school period. Pro choice/pro life t shirts doesn't matter. They don't belong on school campuses..Geez how many of the righties on this board had their panties in a wad when someone had a hate bush t shirts in school.. what about messages that weren't in support of the unecessary war... none of them belong on a public school campus

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    I don't want any distractions at school period. Pro choice/pro life t shirts doesn't matter. They don't belong on school campuses..Geez how many of the righties on this board had their panties in a wad when someone had a hate bush t shirts in school.. what about messages that weren't in support of the unecessary war... none of them belong on a public school campus
    Right. 'tis better for students to learn about their cons utional rights as historical subjects instead of actually exercising them. More accurate too, IMO.


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    All I can say is I am really pissed about the governmental indoctrination centers that our children are forced to participate in. Sure, if you have enough money, you can go to private schools, or home school. Conservatives want to make it easier to get vouchers for choice of school and liberals always fight it. Interesting how most the kids graduation are registering democrat, and how they are trained in the socialist ways.
    Considering:

    "I think the school district has a very strong defense," DeMaria said. "The complaint does not properly characterize the events that happened. Certainly we dispute some of the events."

    I thought you were going to ask for more facts before forming your opinion. I thought that was your modus operandi these days...

    I guess that only applies to things you disagree with...

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    I don't want any distractions at school period. Pro choice/pro life t shirts doesn't matter. They don't belong on school campuses..Geez how many of the righties on this board had their panties in a wad when someone had a hate bush t shirts in school.. what about messages that weren't in support of the unecessary war... none of them belong on a public school campus
    you are for censorship......and you get distracted way to easy. up your medication, and yes the world isn't as perfect as you'd like it. i could care less if people wore "F#*$ Jesus" t shirts. i'd look at it and carry on.

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    I'm all for upholding the First Amendment and therefore obviously believe the school is in the wrong trying to censor her, but I wonder if we'd hear the same from this board if she wore a t-shirt showing the carnage in Iraq and speaking out against the war or if she wore something calling Jesus a fraud.

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    So you think those aims other than the provision of a quality education are a (relatively) new phenomenon?
    I'm not going to say that without doing some research. I'm sure agenda driven teaching has always been present to some degree. Today's schools focus too much on subjects not related to preparing the students for the world. I am most pissed at the parts that teach socialism student against their parents wishes.

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    Of course not. Anyone who has enough money can influence the school boards as well. They actually go teach our High School graduates to about the equivalent of a 7th grade education of the 50's.
    So you were learning calculus in the 7th grade? Hyperbole much?

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    Do you approve of allowing some students to distract others from learning?
    lol, last time I checked schools don't try that hard to prevent students from distracting others; i.e. weak discipline

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    I'm not going to say that without doing some research. I'm sure agenda driven teaching has always been present to some degree. Today's schools focus too much on subjects not related to preparing the students for the world. I am most pissed at the parts that teach socialism student against their parents wishes.
    When did mandatory school attendance come into existence and who was pushing that at the state level? Start there.

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    I think it would have been better had the girl worn a shirt with just the pro-life caption and not the picture.

    I can understand the school objecting to a graphic picture. But, if they had made her take off a shirt that simply promoted the "National Pro-Life T-Shirt Day.", I feel that would have been unjust.

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    So you were learning calculus in the 7th grade? Hyperbole much?
    No, but my cousin's step-brother was.

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    No, but my cousin's step-brother was.
    Sure

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    from what I can remember the courts give more leeway to schools to determine how to deal with "offensive" speech than they give to other governmental instutions, because the schools are like quasi-parents when the kids are on campus during school hours.

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    When did mandatory school attendance come into existence and who was pushing that at the state level? Start there.
    No, I am not going to focus that hard on this subject. I prefer other topics and to add this one to real research would take to much more time than I already want to spend indoors.

    Do you agree the quality of education has decreased?

    Do you agree that too many social agenda's are taught in schools?

    I'm willing to read the stuff you said to start at, but I'm not going to look for it. Post any relevant information if you have the time please.

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    lol, last time I checked schools don't try that hard to prevent students from distracting others; i.e. weak discipline
    what's funny is he is all bent out of shape over this 'cause of the "distraction", but he's probably all for condoms being passed out at school......

    so, GGA?


    let me build up my laughter first........

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    It would be different if there was a dead, bloody fetus on the shirt but I don't really see the big deal with this one.


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    No, I am not going to focus that hard on this subject. I prefer other topics and to add this one to real research would take to much more time than I already want to spend indoors.

    Do you agree the quality of education has decreased?
    Sure.

    Do you agree that too many social agenda's are taught in schools?
    Sure. Though what would you classify as the "social agendas"?

    I'm willing to read the stuff you said to start at, but I'm not going to look for it. Post any relevant information if you have the time please.
    Well, I think it's central to understanding our society and way of life today.

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    So you were learning calculus in the 7th grade? Hyperbole much?
    You were/are an AP student, lets not pretend otherwise, especially when it comes to mathematics, youre the "go-to guy".

    Outside of AP courses, no, your average student does not learn anything nearing Newton's shared magnum opus. I dropped math as soon as I finished the required two years in HS. I took Trig then changed my mind mid-semester.

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    Everyone knows that kids at a school do not possess the same rights of expression as adults in the general society.

    I wonder how that same parent would feel about a student wearing a shirt supporting gay marriage with a picture of two sexual men on it.

    Most people who intentionally push an issue like this through a kid at a school only care about the free expression of their ideas.

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    Everyone knows that kids at a school do not possess the same rights of expression as adults in the general society.

    I wonder how that same parent would feel about a student wearing a shirt supporting gay marriage with a picture of two sexual men on it.

    Most people who intentionally push an issue like this through a kid at a school only care about the free expression of their ideas.
    One can assume what they like, but I would say the school way really wrong. Being a seventh grader, she may have had those views herself. We don't know if the parents objected, but are standing up for her rights. The action was no more offensive to some that goes on day to day at schools. I think the school should have limited their actions to asking the parents to refrain from such clothing at school, and looked up if they had a clear case if the parents didn't comply with a reasonable request. The child should not have necessarily been taken to task over it. If so, it should have been limited to a private session. Not something to embarrass the child in front of others.

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    Children do not enjoy cons utional rights?

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