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If they S&T Marion and don't take back any money, then aren't they clearing enough space for Hedo? That's their aim anyway. To work out a deal where they're just shipping out the body and the contract and receiving financial availability in trade.
Um yeah, I really have a hard time believing they would be discussing it if there was no way that this was possible. I'm 100% sure that there is something you are not currently aware of, that they are which is why the discussions exist.
If they S&T Marion and don't take back any money, then aren't they clearing enough space for Hedo? That's their aim anyway. To work out a deal where they're just shipping out the body and the contract and receiving financial availability in trade.
Sefko and Stein are both reporting that the teams are in talks. I can't believe the teams are discussing a trade that is illegal under the CBA.
If Raptors don't take any money back it'd be possible, but that'd mean getting OKC,Portland or Memphis to eat up contracts. There's no incentive for these teams to lose their available cap space facilitating a trade like this. Of course Dallas might, and prob will, have to include other players in the deal and make it work somehow.If OKC are interested in Howard, for example, then it'd be possible to work something out of this mess. In any case Raptors can't take salary back.
http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullColumn.php?id=1806
Our alternate idea: Maybe OKC or Memphis are being given a choice: Would you prefer Humphries (who makes $2.9M) plus $3M … or … The Stack Chip (with which Stackhouse gets a $2M buyout) plus $3M?
*Yet another alternative: Maybe OKC or Memphis are being given another choice: How about in one trade you get Humphries plus $3M … and in another you get Stack plus $3M?
*And one more angle: Maybe OKC and Memphis are being comparison shopped to see who charges the least for their help.
So originally our concept was Humphries going somewhere for a pick (a notion based on a throwaway mention by Toronto GM Bryan Colangelo) leading to space for Toronto to fit in Stack's contract. Now let's postulate a three-way where:
a) from Dallas to OKC or Memphis .........Stack and $3M cash and/or Humphries plus $3M
b) from Toronto to Dallas ..........Marion to Dallas (that allows the Mavs to offer Marion a deal for up to $9.16M in year one, but in this market it needs to be starting at $7.5M-ish ...aren't all his other options in the MLE-or-less category?)
c) from OKC or Memphis to Toronto ... a conditional future 2nd rounder.
No need for another player in the deal. It can be worked with Stackhouse and cash.
http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba...-shawn-marion/
In order for The Matrix to land in Dallas, another team will have to get involved: “The Dallas Mavericks may be one of the NBA teams that helps Bryan Colangelo be creative and help out a soon-to-be ex-Raptor, but there will have to be another team involved…Getting three teams involved in any transaction under the NBA’s arcane salary cap rules is dicey at the best of times. When a team like Toronto needs to come out of a deal without assuming any salary, it complicates matters even more. The Mavs, according to league sources, are dangling the contract of Jerry Stackhouse because it carries only a $2 million guarantee. However, those sources said Toronto, which needs to divest itself of Marion’s contract to have money to pay Turkoglu, can’t even handle that relative pittance.”
http://www.thestar.com/article/661918
he Dallas Mavericks may be one of the NBA teams that helps Bryan Colangelo be creative and help out a soon-to-be ex-Raptor, but there will have to be another team involved.
As ESPN.com reported last night, the Mavericks are now in hot pursuit of Shawn Marion in some sign-and-trade transaction but league sources said the Raptors aren't going to simply take an offer and run with it.
In order to protect the salary cap room necessary to sign free agent Hedo Turkoglu to a contract later this week, the Raptors will only be drawn into a sign-and-trade deal if they can avoid any additional financial obligations to players.
Getting three teams involved in any transaction under the NBA's arcane salary cap rules is dicey at the best of times. When a team like Toronto needs to come out of a deal without assuming any salary, it complicates matters even more.
The Mavs, according to league sources, are dangling the contract of Jerry Stackhouse because it carries only a $2 million guarantee. However, those sources said Toronto, which needs to divest itself of Marion's contract to have money to pay Turkoglu, can't even handle that relative pittance.
The sign-and-trade deal for Marion would allow him to make a little bit more money while being cut adrift by Toronto. If the Raptors can sign him for any amount and give him annual increases of 10.5 per cent, the Mavs can only offer him the mid-level cap exception (estimated at about $5.6 million) and raises of only 8 per cent.
There would be no real benefit to the Raptors, according to league sources, other than helping out a former player without jeopardizing the Turkoglu signing.
The Mavs, however, are not the only team that's inquired about Marion. League sources said Cleveland has expressed a mild interest and even Oklahoma City made a cursory call, although it's unclear how far those talks ever progressed.
If J-Ho can step up as the 2-guard, signing Marion would make Dallas a one of the 2nd tier teams in the west (with LA being the only 1st tier team as of now).
You're probably right, but given the cluster that came from the last time they tried to send Stackhouse somewhere, who knows?
Maybe Stackhouse will keep his mouth shut this time.
I'm thinking Twitter will be his weapon of choice when it comes time to this one up.
"Traded to Toronto. Brrrrrr. It's gonna be cold playing out my entire contract in Canada. ::nudge nudge, wink wink:: LOLZ"
It would be a steal for the Mavs to get Marion using only Stackhouse's contract.
weren't the Mavs suppose to be better with Kidd? Or am I wrong, they made it past the first round sure, but I think they sucked more in the regular season with Kidd
Marion was more athlete than basketball player.
And now his athleticism has diminished.
You dont want him.
...and he's got that horrible shot release from his belly button.
playoffs > regular seasonweren't the Mavs suppose to be better with Kidd? Or am I wrong, they made it past the first round sure, but I think they sucked more in the regular season with Kidd
moron
Rod Thorn pretty much tryed to save a trade because of stackhouse. Don't remember all the words Rod Thorn said, but pretty much lied and said they would have a spot on the team for him
lulz
one of your finest moments on spurstalk
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...t=80382&page=6
God there were some really dumb Phoenix fans back in the day.
sorry not a moron, talk to some other Mav fans though, at least I know who won the 2006 finals
you missed out on some classic battles. suns fans were by far the worst fans on the board for quite a while.
Just reading a few of his posts I can tell that guy DannyB would have pissed me off to a scary point.
Da_Suns_Fan when actually made an actual good point while he was being re ed. I don't like D'antoni at all, but the criticism of him not using the bench is unwarranted. The off season he got fired, Kerr had several Arizona Republic writers talk about him not using DJ Strawberry like the Suns would have gone 16-0 in the playoffs if he did. Then of course Kerr trades him to Houston that same off season. D'antoni never had a good bench to work with in Phoenix. It probably wouldn't have mattered, but he's innocent until proven guilty.
If this goes down the Mavs will have a top 5 frontcourt easily. Dampier/Dirk/Marion is better than anything outside of what the Lakers, Cavs or Celtics will have (this changes if the Spurs or Magic get Dice). And they have a viable smallball option in Dirk/Marion/Howard. Plus Marion can take the tougher defensive assignments instead of Dirk.
no way this trade happens.
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