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    No, I am not going to focus that hard on this subject. I prefer other topics and to add this one to real research would take to much more time than I already want to spend indoors.

    Do you agree the quality of education has decreased?

    Do you agree that too many social agenda's are taught in schools?

    I'm willing to read the stuff you said to start at, but I'm not going to look for it. Post any relevant information if you have the time please.
    He's referring almost verbatim to another thread.

    http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127000

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    I am actually pro-life but the actions of many others who are make me look bad- such as sending or allowing a kid to wear something like that to an elementary school. It is stated that it is a K-8 school which means kids as young as 5 years old are there. It is not the appropriate place for this display.

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    Children do not enjoy cons utional rights?
    Rhetorical. Children have extremely limited to no rights while in school buildings.

    Is that ok? Not in my book, but that hasnt been published yet.

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    I am actually pro-life but the actions of many others who are make me look bad- such as sending or allowing a kid to wear something like that to an elementary school. It is stated that it is a K-8 school which means kids as young as 5 years old are there. It is not the appropriate place for this display.
    By the description I read, there is nothing inappropriate about the shirt.

    Have a picture of the shirt by chance?

    Was it appropriate for the school to embarrass the kid, or could they have handled that better?

    Do you approve of the intimidation tactics used by the school?

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    I am actually pro-life but the actions of many others who are make me look bad- such as sending or allowing a kid to wear something like that to an elementary school. It is stated that it is a K-8 school which means kids as young as 5 years old are there. It is not the appropriate place for this display.
    Where is the appropriate place for a child to learn of the vicious world we hand to them?

    Sooner the better? Or resentment and mistrust when they find out the happy-go-lucky bull the adults/tv have been selling is exactly that?

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    Was it appropriate for the school to embarrass the kid, or could they have handled that better?
    Come now, lets not re-re-redirect this discussion towards a line of thinking that shelters people (children or adult) from having their sensibilities offended.

    She/he was bold enough to wear the shirt, he/she is bold enough to have their feelings hurt, vis a vis.

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    children should be seen and not heard

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    children should be seen and not heard
    ..and get the off my lawn!!

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    Right. 'tis better for students to learn about their cons utional rights as historical subjects instead of actually exercising them. More accurate too, IMO.

    right.. of course you don't necessarily have all of your rights available when you are in school. do you have the right to not go to school?

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    Children do not enjoy cons utional rights?
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    stop acting stupid. schools can tell you what to wear, what kind of haircut you can have and so on..

    don't be stupid

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    By the description I read, there is nothing inappropriate about the shirt.
    Have you ever had a five year old kid?

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    Have you ever had a five year old kid?
    The people who are defending this are the one's without children.

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    Have you ever had a five year old kid?
    Two, they are now both over 21.

    Your point?

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    stop acting stupid. schools can tell you what to wear, what kind of haircut you can have and so on..

    don't be stupid
    You first.

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    kids can't do what they want when in school. very simple so your notion of cons utional rights in this case is wrong. admit it.

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    right.. of course you don't necessarily have all of your rights available when you are in school. do you have the right to not go to school?
    Sure, but that doesn't mean infringements on one's cons utional rights are at the discretion of the school management. This isn't a prison and even prisoners actually have cons utional rights.

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    Sure, but that doesn't mean infringements on one's cons utional rights are at the discretion of the school management. This isn't a prison and even prisoners actually have cons utional rights.
    I am all for wearing whatever t shirt you want to in public. i am pro free speach but you can't cause disruptions in school which is what this t shirt did. schools have been limiting student's rights for a long time now..

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    kids can't do what they want when in school. very simple so your notion of cons utional rights in this case is wrong. admit it.
    Kids do not lose their full cons utional rights in school. There are limited curtailments which are allowed in order to facilitate instruction.

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    Kids do not lose their full cons utional rights in school. There are limited curtailments which are allowed in order to facilitate instruction.

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    I am all for wearing whatever t shirt you want to in public. i am pro free speach but you can't cause disruptions in school which is what this t shirt did. schools have been limiting student's rights for a long time now..
    Was the disruption caused by fellow students or simply was a reaction of an administrator?

    Of course, I guess you could say that this helps train the children for corporate life. Convenient, no?

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    So the plaintiffs would want other kids to be able to wear "Abort Baby Jesus" t-shirts as well.

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    Was the disruption caused by fellow students or simply was a reaction of an administrator?

    Of course, I guess you could say that this helps train the children for corporate life. Convenient, no?
    It was a distraction... how hard is that to comprehend?

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    The complaint quotes school district officials saying that they ordered Amador's daughter to remove the shirt because it cons uted "inappropriate subject matter" in violation of the school's dress code, which bans clothing with "suggestion of tobacco, drug or alcohol use, sexual promiscuity, profanity, vulgarity, or other inappropriate subject matter."
    So much for the disruption claim.

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    "Other inappropriate subject matter." Nice.

    This reminds me of whoever was fine with cops searching their car at will without cause.

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    So the plaintiffs would want other kids to be able to wear "Abort Baby Jesus" t-shirts as well.
    That probably wouldn't garner their support, but that doesn't change the validity of their claim.

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