Where would the Lakers stand if Odom were to Bolt?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Fisher signed largely cause his daughter has eye cancer.

Pau Gasol for Kwame Brown doesn't count?

With Fisher, either way Mitch really didn't have to do a whole lot to get him to play in LA. And from what I remember Fisher left Utah cause his daughter had eye cancer and wasn't satisfied with the "Have faith and Joseph Smith will save her eye" treatment in Utah, I'm not sure if the eye thing actually was a factor that made him sign with LA. Either way it doesn't matter.


And yes, Mitch gets a little credit for that trade, but it's not like Memphis thought they were getting the better trade, Memphis knew they were getting ripped off, their main concern was cutting payroll. Mitch didn't need to out smart anyone, plus it didn't hurt that there's Jerry West connection. So yeah he's a good GM for taking advantage of that opportunity given to him, but moreso a lucky GM for being presented with that opportunity.


And I repeat, Mitch is only one of many GMs where people confuse luck with skill. RC Buhford wouldn't have done as GM if not for the Spurs being lucky enough to get the #1 overall pick in 1997.

[Culburn369]

I'm sure you're an authority on what Odom and what he brings to the team when you don't even know how his name is spelled.

What, you guys do the spelling indictment on this Board? That's the last bastion of the thoroughly vanquished.

Please. Try and act like somebody.

[Allanon]

People say Lamar is inconsistent but he's been very consistently at 15 points and 9 rebounds his entier career.

15 points and 9 rebounds over the last 10 years isn't consistent enough?

Lakers would be seriously hurting with Josh Powell backing up Bynum rather than Lamar.

But unlike many Laker fans, the Lakers' brass know Lamar's worth...he'll be re-signed and even overpaid if need be to keep this championship core together.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

What, you guys do the spelling indictment on this Board? That's the last bastion of the thoroughly vanquished.

Please. Try and act like somebody.

Being the grammar police on a careless spelling error is being a bag, but when you repeatedly spell a player's name wrong when that player is on your favorite team, it just makes you look stupid.

[Culburn369]

People say Lamar is inconsistent but he's been very consistently at 15 points and 9 rebounds his entier career.

15 points and 9 rebounds over the last 10 years isn't consistent enough?

Lakers would be seriously hurting with Josh Powell backing up Bynum rather than Lamar.

Yer right, Powell backed away from the table toward the end. He had happy feet and was pulling the string on his shot.

Where Odom fails to persuade is his inability to execute his talent. He's a terrible finisher and until this year it about drove Kobe nutty-nuts.

[Culburn369]

Being the grammar police on a careless spelling error is being a bag, but when you repeatedly spell a player's name wrong when that player is on your favorite team, it just makes you look stupid.

Any spelling indictment when the intent is obvious is weakPERIOD

I broke AZ Central of that horse habit and I see I'll have to do likewise here. I look forward to the challenge with equal amounts of both anticipation & determination.

Let us proceed...

[DPG21920]

No one has the Lakers by the balls. Shaq thought he did, and wound his ass up in Miami. Kobe thought he did, and if Logo hadnt stepped in with Gasol, Kobe would have been traded as well.

Unlike the Spurs, and the Cavs, we have no issues of attracting FA's in the off season. Odom only has one suitor for his services, and that one team is a team he hates.

All this speculation is cool, but Odom is already a lock to be a Laker.

Is this a joke? Yes, those players have them by the balls IF THEY WANT TO WIN. How long did it take after the Lakers so wisely called the Shaq bluff? Shaq won a le while LA watched his ass in Miami. If they would have let Kobe go (landing Pau did not mean Kobe did not have them by the balls), no ring for even longer. Kobe held that team and FO hostage, still does.

So yes, they might be willing to let people walk to stroke their egos, but they won't win that way.

[Allanon]

Yer right, Powell backed away from the table toward the end. He had happy feet and was pulling the string on his shot.

Where Odom fails to persuade is his inability to execute his talent. He's a terrible finisher and until this year it about drove Kobe nutty-nuts.

I think Odom's the one guy Kobe's always been happy about, but Kobe & Odom weren't enough to go up against the trio of Nash/Amare/Marion.

But hey, you're a Laker fan so I'm not going to go out of my way arguing with another Laker fan.

I'm used to other Lakerfans not liking Odom, I've liked him since his Clipper days and he's my favorite Laker so I'll leave it at that and hope he re-signs with the Lakeshow.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Is this a joke? Yes, those players have them by the balls IF THEY WANT TO WIN. How long did it take after the Lakers so wisely called the Shaq bluff?

I think Lakaluva's point is even if it means being a worse team in the short term, they're never going to let a player jerk them around, even if it means trading the player and entering a rebuilding phase. Correct me if I'm wrong Lakaluva.

[DrHouse]

I wouldn't worry about the Laker FO if I were a Laker fan. They are hands down the best in the biz IMHO.

15 les. Winningest team in all of basketball. Most NBA Final's appearances. Just a class organization through and through that is dedicated to one thing and one thing only, championships.

[Culburn369]

I think Odom's the one guy Kobe's always been happy about, but Kobe & Odom weren't enough to go up against the trio of Nash/Amare/Marion.

But hey, you're a Laker fan so I'm not going to go out of my way arguing with another Laker fan.

I'm used to other Lakerfans not liking Odom, I've liked him since his Clipper days and he's my favorite Laker so I'll leave it at that and hope he re-signs with the Lakeshow.

I don't trust Odum. I don't trust Walton the same way. They don't trust themselves. Let's face it, aside from Kobe & Gasol the rest are not trustworthy. Fisher trusts himself, and that's good enough for me, but, I admittedly don't trust him.

And yer right: the reason Nash/Amare/Marion could end Kobe/Odum is because Nash & Marion knew Odum could not be trusted and they cut him out, isolated him and took his pant's down. Marion could function there because HE knew he didn't have to worry about Lamar, so he could concentrate on flustering Kobe. Gasol comes along and it's a new shuffle. Kobe pushes Odum down the pecking order and keeps Gasol as his sidekick, but, he doesn't do it publicly so as to hurt Odum's feelings. It's a delicate balancing act for Kobe. He knows Gasol is the goods.

[ginobili's bald spot]

What, you guys do the spelling indictment on this Board? That's the last bastion of the thoroughly vanquished.

Please. Try and act like somebody.

"Thoroughly vanquished" by what? Your argument that was based on a completely false premise? Nice try. Here's "Odums" per 36 minute stats from the past two seasons.

2007-08------ 2008-09

13.5 points---- 13.8 Points

3.4 Assists----- 3.2 Assists

10.1 Rebounds --- 9.9 Rebounds

[Culburn369]

"Thoroughly vanquished" by what? Your argument that was based on a completely false premise? Nice try. Here's "Odums" per 36 minute stats from the past two seasons.

2007-08------ 2008-09

13.5 points---- 13.8 Points

3.4 Assists----- 3.2 Assists

10.1 Rebounds --- 9.9 Rebounds

Don't be obtuse. I'm calling you out over your use of the spelling indictment. It's got nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

Now grow up.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

And yer right: the reason Nash/Amare/Marion could end Kobe/Odum is because Nash & Marion knew Odum could not be trusted and they cut him out, isolated him and took his pant's down. Marion could function there because HE knew he didn't have to worry about Lamar, so he could concentrate on flustering Kobe.

You must have not watch the Lakers at all from 2005-2007. Lamar put up great numbers against the Suns.

[DPG21920]

The Lakers have won more les than the Celtics? If not, they are not the best in the business nor the franchise that has won the most. There is the Celtics, then everyone else.

DOK: that may be true to a certain degree, but players like Kobe and Shaq and Magic...do not come along all the time.

[ginobili's bald spot]

Don't be obtuse. I'm calling you out over your use of the spelling indictment. It's got nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

Now grow up.

That post was about the discussion at hand and nothing else. You are the only one still crying like a over a "spelling indictment". Quit crying and address the facts. You can't because you were wrong and my original point that you had no idea what you were talking about stands.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

That post was about the discussion at hand and nothing else. You are the only one still crying like a over a "spelling indictment". Quit crying and address the facts. You can't because you were wrong and my original point that you had no idea what you were talking about stands.

I 2nd this. Saying Odom played way better this year than any other year is just flat out wrong. In fact, 2008-2009 was the lowest PPG of Lamar's career.

[Culburn369]

That post was about the discussion at hand and nothing else. You are the only one still crying like a over a "spelling indictment". Quit crying and address the facts. You can't because you were wrong and my original point that you had no idea what you were talking about stands.

I already addressed it. Yer just too stove up to read it.

[Culburn369]

You made a mistake and placed your period after your quotation. I thought about fixing for you.

Of course you did. First Odum now, a period.

It's just weak.

[Culburn369]

I 2nd this. Saying Odom played way better this year than any other year is just flat out wrong. In fact, 2008-2009 was the lowest PPG of Lamar's career.

...but, when the call came, this time, unlike every other time he answered it. He finished at the rim. He didn't turn it over. He didn't spoil the play by fumbling the ball. It ain't about PPG, DUNCAN, it just ain't.

[ginobili's bald spot]

I already addressed it. Yer just too stove up to read it.

No you didn't. Nice try avoiding the issues though. I guess that's the new last bastion of the thoroughly vanquished.

[Culburn369]

You preaching to the choir here.

It's just disappointing to discover it here now. It's so beneath grown men, and they always stoop to it when the discussion is at loggerheads.

Ugh.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

...but, when the call came, this time, unlike every other time he answered it. He finished at the rim. He didn't turn it over. He didn't spoil the play by fumbling the ball. It ain't about PPG, DUNCAN, it just ain't.

This has nothing to do with this:

Without Odum it would not be the cakewalk to the '10 Finals that it'd be with him, but, to say "ruined" is just absurd. Odum, until this his contract year has been drifting thru games/seasons doing a Vinnie Barbarino impression. Afore this season he could not do one thing with the ball until his babbled it. Will he go back to that after garnering his ring & money?

[Culburn369]

I guess that's the new last bastion of the thoroughly vanquished.

I'm a trend setter.

I set trends.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I guess that's the new last bastion of the thoroughly vanquished.