Where would the Lakers stand if Odom were to Bolt?

[Allanon]

Odom is an over-achiever? Please. He should be putting up 20/10 but isn't. I've learned to accept it. No way does LO over-achieve.

I don't think anybody has said that Odom's an over-achiever..

[Culburn369]

For someone who has supposedly never been a Suns fan you seem to care an awful lot.

Of course I'm a Suns fan. I'm just a hater of their's. I came to Phoenix in '86 without any preconceived hatred for them. I came here in a December and came across the radio dial and McCoy one night driving on 51st Ave and Northern. I remember the moment like it was yesterday. Something clicked in my mind and a bitter hatred took root. Hard to explain. It's like psychosis to be honest, but, its something I live with. I invented the O & __. That was my concoction. AZ Central was my home Board, but, it was right about the time that CWEBB turned his back on Horry that they all picked up and moved the whole shebang to phxsuns.net, locking me out. I won't do Lakers Boards. I'm better than that. I tried AFSN Board, but, I won't travel incognito so they boot me out as soon as I surface. I finally found this Board, but, its difficult hating the Spurs because they've stonewalled the Suns for me on numerous occasions. I shudder to think what woulda happened if Duncan hadn't hit that three. I was as nervous as a sissy at Boy's Town that night.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I shudder to think what woulda happened if Duncan hadn't hit that three.

They probably would have lost to the Hornets in the next round.....their problems went beyond the Spurs that year.

[ginobili's bald spot]

Of course I'm a Suns fan.

Interesting.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I invented the O & __. That was my concoction.

Do you want a cookie?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Refreshments?

http://cm1.theinsider.com/media/0/79...0.365x518.jpeg

yum.

[Culburn369]

I tried to get in there when they got Snaq, but that place is locked down like Ft. Knox.

I enjoy busting their balls, and as I've stated: Suns fans are very knowledgeable about the Suns and the NBA in general. I read that phxsuns.net religiously. We were going to have a powwow downtown Phoenix one time years ago, just before the three peat. The wife encouraged me go, but, I was afraid they were going to beat me up, so I chickened out.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Suns fans are very knowledgeable about the Suns and the NBA in general

Not the ones at phxsuns.net. Heck they're not even knowledgeable about the Suns. I'll guarantee 75% of those posters wouldn't be able to tell you who the Suns all time leading scorer is.

[Culburn369]

Not the ones at phxsuns.net. Heck they're not even knowledgeable about the Suns. I'll guarantee 75% of those posters wouldn't be able to tell you who the Suns all time leading scorer is.

Yer just wrong, DUNCAN. They're a bunch a babies for not coming out and playing, but, they know their . I go their for all my Suns information.

[sonic21]

i wanted to post at arizonasportsfan after diaw signed with the suns and got banned for saying Dirk > Amare.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I go their for all my Suns information.

Awesome. Is that supposed to mean something?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

i wanted to post at arizonasportsfan after diaw signed with the suns and got banned for saying Dirk > Amare.

Doesn't surprise me at all. Most Suns sites ban anyone that says trade Nash or trade Amare.

[Culburn369]

i wanted to post at arizonasportsfan after diaw signed with the suns and got banned for saying Dirk > Amare.

LOL! And the bas s are quick. They must have somebody right by the switch. & once yer out, they kill your IP. They're ready there. I tried thwartin' 'em using a library bank of CPUs one night, but, they were up to the task and sent me back home, tailed tucked.

[Culburn369]

Awesome. Is that supposed to mean something?

That they're current & dedicated. There is always someone posting.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

It's why the Phoenix media hates Barkley. He's got the guts to call them out for being "lightweight homers" as he says that are too scared of the team to take a controversial stance on something, the one thing the Phoenix media hates more than someone who takes an unpopular stance is someone who calls the media out for always taking the loyal stance.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

That they're current & dedicated. There is always someone posting.

Same with AZCentral, but on AZ Central there are actually different opinions. Not everyone is a blind Nash lover like they are on those sites.

[Culburn369]

But, that same Media shielded Barkley the afternoon in the '93 Finals when he caused that 3 pointer by Paxson. It was Barkley and they never made him own up to it.

[Culburn369]

Same with AZCentral, but on AZ Central there are actually different opinions. Not everyone is a blind Nash lover like they are on those sites.

But, that software is screwy. My computer can't process it.

Though I haven't been over there in a number of months. Perhaps I'll give it a try again.

[Culburn369]

I would go to suns.net after they lost a game just for good laughs. A few beers and reading the guys posting over there and it was pure comedy.

Yep! See Luva can appreciate it. Especially after they beat the Lakers this past season late. Remember? They promptly went on a like 7 game losing streak. It was a gd riot.

And the way they'll defend their padlock. LMAO!

Though they do speak respectfully of this Spurs site, and you Spurs fellows. Though Bowen about drives 'em nuts.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

But, that same Media shielded Barkley the afternoon in the '93 Finals when he caused that 3 pointer by Paxson. It was Barkley and they never made him own up to it.

Barkley was the only reason they were in the finals. Barkley was by no means a model citizen but he still cares about this team and isn't happy with where they're at. People don't get that Barkley criticizes the Suns so much because he wants to see them succeed, he doesn't do it for sport.

[Trainwreck2100]

To answer the le they'd still get the #1 seed cause of their crap division.

[MarHill]

Holy crap...DOK started a thread that isnt about me.

I will play ball...


Losing Odom would have a HUGE negative effect.

1) He's their best rebounder

2) Allows the Lakers to stay big when Bynum inevitably gets into foul trouble

3) Has the omnipresence attribute that every championship team needs.

4) Makes Gasol better.

I think the Lakers without Ariza and Odom (even adding Artest) would have probably folded against that same Magic or Denver team last year. Take into account the Spurs, Magic, Cavs and especially the Celtics will all be better next year.

If the Lakers lose Odom, they are finished. I wouldnt pick them to even come out of the west.

I've always thought that Odom was the Lakers X-Factor. When he plays well....they are very difficult to beat.

His length, versatility, and ability to play SF and PF fits perfectly for LA. Even though, he's been engimatic throughout his career (I don't like enigmatic players....i.e. Sheed!!), I was impressed with him when the Lakers won in Cleveland (breaking their undefeated regular season home record) and in Boston during the regular season.

I said at that time...if he plays this well in the playoffs the Lakers had a chance to win it all.

Odom is much more valuable than Ariza and I would be surprised to see him leave the purple-n-gold.

[kingmalaki]

You guys need to define the parameters of what makes a good GM before debating whether or not cupcake is a good or bad one.

I would say his resume is starting to speak for itself. Whether or not he landed in a primo position in another story. The fact that he's added Artest, Gasol and Fisher while keeping Kobe is pretty impressive.

I like some of the moves Mitch has made, but there wasn't anything impressive about the moves you just mentioned. Artest has always wanted to play with Kobe, and the only reason he signed with LA was because the Rockets wouldn't give him more $$. He would have stayed in Houston if they did. Any GM would trade garbage for a player like Gasol, so I don't see what's impressive about saying "sure I will rip you off". Fisher only got to LA because the Jazz let him out of his contract and LA had doctors to treat his kid. Not to mention he had already played there for les before.

I don't see how you can really give the GM "credit" for any of those things.

[kingmalaki]

Unlike Boston, we've had a contender in every decade. Thirty finals appearances makes us second to none, in the business aspect of it.

les count the most, especially when the team with the most les has like a 9-2 Finals record against you. The Bulls have been mediocore for most of their existence, outside of the MJ years. That doesn't change the fact that their franchise has won more les than anyone outside of Boston and LA. No other team can say they have been more successful than Chicago.

[SouthTexasRancher]

I'd be pissed.

If I were a Laker fan I would be pissed too. He really came alive this playoff season. The Lakers won't let him go. Magic will step in if need be.