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no offense to the beloved Mavs and their fans, but I think a hurt Stackhouse would have been a solid option last year. I mean it's not like the Mavs bench was exactly lighting the world on fire with their play last year
of course id rather there be a different alternative, but we shall see...
no offense to the beloved Mavs and their fans, but I think a hurt Stackhouse would have been a solid option last year. I mean it's not like the Mavs bench was exactly lighting the world on fire with their play last year
The alternative is Cuban and the Mavs just stepping away from the table. you, Colangelo. You're now pissing off a player you were trying to help in Marion and his agent by letting him walk and earn only a portion of what he would get in this trade. You're going to have to scrap 3 players all because you just had to have Hedo and because you were insistent on flipping Marcus Banks in a potential deal.
But, will Cuban play poker well enough? Or will he fold up and let Colangelo call the shots?
Are you Hubie Brown?
Stackhouse couldn't do a thing on the court. Why would any team play someone that's hurt?
Really? I think he is one of the biggest spares in the league. Barea>>>Banks. We dont need a 4th PG taking up a roster spot with Bobo on the team as well
ya just like a hurt T-mac would have been a solid option for the rockets
i agree. id rather not take banks, but i think its worth it to get Marion. and i think Barea could start doing what Terry does (score points as an undersized 2 guard), and perhaps the Mavs can now shop Terry (while his value is at its highest), since they would have a decent backup at the PG position. and if Bobo turns out to be good, that would be even nicer.
Colangelo is easily the most overrated GM in the NBA, not even close..
The Mavs are in a very tough place right now..not young enough to rebuild, but currently not good enough to win a le..their front office is gonna have to make some tough decisions..
For me, i dont trust Banks as a backup PG on a winning team and more JJB at the SG spot makes me cringe. I'm fine with JET on the bench as a 6th man, no point in moving him unless you can get a legit SG
A better Larry Brown (Carlisle) getting a better Tayshaun (Marion) an older, but better deffender/passer Billups (Kidd) a more consistent Rasheed (Dirk), a dumber Rip (Stupidhead Howard) and a more useless Ben (Damp). Its like 2004 all over again, only not.
Its like the Mirror universe...
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and thats what my goal would be. i wanna move terry and try to get a scoring SG to come off the bench. or if we couldnt get bass back, then trade him for a backup PF perhaps, and maybe try to sign Daniels, although I'd rather try to get a SG that is a solid 3 point shooter..
If so, great move by Toront0. Get expiring contract + cash to buy him out + get rid of Banks for Marion when he was going to walk anyways. Ya, you get Wright, but he is only 1.7M or so and is off the books next year.
How is this a bad trade for Toronto? Yes they get Wright, but they get rid of Banks who is worse and has a longer contract. Then they get an expiring and the cash to buy Stack out while pawning off Banks?
Dallas needs true alpha male leader a la Chauncey Billups.
Not a "lead by example but say absolutely nothing" Jason Kidd or giant pouter like Shawn Marion.
The Dynamics of the team is all messed up.
He did trade Rodney Rogers and Tony Delk for Joe Johsnon, was able to get Boris Diaw and two first round picks when he was forced to trade Joe Johnson to the Hawks, drafted Amare Stoudemire when everyone else passed, signed Steve Nash when no one besides Dallas was interested, traded a young Steve Nash for a draft pick that became Shawn Marion, was able to convince New York to take Stephon Marbury AND Penny Hardaway's ridiculous contracts away without having to bribe them with a single first round pick (a la Seve Kerr) and even nailed one of the best MLE signings in the past five years when he picked up Raja Bell (how many other MLE signings made the first team all-defense?).
Hindsight is 20/20. And he's made some pretty savy moves while in Phoenix.
But the difference is ex. Spurs traded for a player that had a contract already and his team wanted him off the books, but in this case Marion is a free agent so if they don't get anything for him what's the incentive to sign and trade?
http://box308.bluehost.com/~dallasba...mn.php?id=1815
BREAKING: Mavs Inching Closer On Marion
If It Goes Through, Mavs' Roster Will Be Overflowing With Bodies
By Mike Fisher and David Lord -- DB.com
We have it on good authority that Toronto and Dallas are making real progress this morning on the Marion talks. Working on the assumption that our good authority is good. ...
With the Mavs utilizing The Stack Chip in exchange for Marion (or, for the sake of the coming exercise, something), the roster will be hopefully overflowing with talent.
But it’ll also be overflowing with bodies.
A quick glance at a potential Mavs depth chart … and what might have to be trimmed:
Center: You’ll have Marcin Gortat coming, Erick Dampier staying (so we say) and, let’s pencil in Ryan Hollins.
Power forward: You’ll have Dirk Nowitzki. Some time at the 4 for Marion. Devean George is here somewhere, and let’s assume James Singleton stays.
Small forward: Josh Howard is the in bent. Is Kris Humphries coming over? Plus Shawne Williams (unless he’s permanently AWOL) and toss Quentin Ross on the pile.
Shooting guard: Jason Terry is here. Antoine Wright is here. Matt Carroll’s here.
Point guard: Jason Kidd, then JJ Barea, then Roddy Beaubois.
Now, again, let’s not focus too much on starters, positions and roles just yet. … Josh at the 2 and Marion at the 3 clears up some of that. … but let’s just stick with bodies.
That's 17. Which is too many ...
And our list doesn’t include Brandon Bass, whom the Mavs want back at the right number ($3.5 million a year while he decides between Dallas and three others?). And it doesn’t include second-round power forward Ahmad Nivins (do you stick him in the organization’s developmental wing?). And it doesn’t include last year’s top pick, Shan Foster (no wonder Fish noted the other day that he seemed to be a forgotten man even on this year’s Summer League team!)
Oh, yeah. … what about the BAE?
So, there’s your overflow. Where do you trim?
Do you say no to Hollins and let him walk? Do you say no to Singleton? Do you scrap the idea of adding the journeyman Ross?
There might be something to like all three of those guys, as prospect-level varsity players. So maybe you get rid of George and Williams, who are both expiring … but how?
Allow us some spit-ballin’ room: What would New York take (and give you back) if you sent those expirings for Curry or Jeffries? Are there any other teams that are as aggressively trying to move off of salary for 2010 where you can package this whole combo platter? Should the Mavs let some of these decisions “make themselves’’ (with poor play or fine play in the Summer League, for example) or should they be proactive in paring down a roster than right now is on the verge of being fat with bodies?
It all starts with Marion ... but that's only the beginning of what to do with this roster.
Seriously, am I the only one who thinks this is a bad trade for Dallas?
probably cuz you're a moron
Im not a big fan of the deal but Marion>>>>>>>>corpse of Stackhouse
The point is that he started with something, albeit not a great something, turned it into two brokedowns and a has-been that never-was, and is now going to get a career backup for it. Colangelo, like most decent NBA GMs has made a name for himself on some good triggers he has pulled (Amare, Nash) but has also missed badly (Bargnani, O'Neal), and he definitely is no genius GM. The media likes him because he talks, fans like him because he does make moves, and he has a good pedigree. But he isn't the guy I would hand the reigns over to if I were hunting for a championship.
With the potential reduction in the 2010 cap announced this morning, I fail to see how Banks' contract costs the Mavs anything more than money. They already are in trouble of having any free agent money to spend...their flexibility in 2010 is going to have be through sign-and-trades or taking others' big contracts (a la Spurs and Jefferson) with Dampier's contract and potentially Howard's.
As a Spurs fan, I am neither advocating this trade, nor opposing it, I am simply saying I don't think Banks' contract should be the thing that keeps it from getting done.
By the way, are Mavs fans pumped about Marion? I can see his career resurrecting a bit if the Mavs pay him enough to keep him happy, and Carlisle let's Kidd and Company play som Nellie ball, but Marion could also become a pariah that kills you. I would say its a good risk to take, given that you aren't winning a championship with your current roster.
Marion and Banks must be best friends by now this will be the 3rd time they've been traded together.
god da_suns_fan you are so in stupid.
im not a fan of marion. too much of a selfish player. for the mavs sakes, i hope hes matured. on second thought, i really dont give a .
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