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    If solar and wind farms are quadrupled, maybe they'll show up as a somewhat thicker line on this pie chart.

    It will happen as petroleum, gas, and coal face depletion, making them comparatively more expensive, even without cap and trade, but I have said that before.

    Simple economics.

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    one line off of a wind tubine costs $300,000 per mile.
    Source?
    Why do you need that sourced? That seems real cheap to me. , three miles of wire alone isn't cheap, then how many towers to support it, and how many manhours?

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    Ever seen a tractor trailor hauling ONE windmill blade? Nice.
    From First blades for Kibby Wind Power project pass through Belfast:


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    FWIW........

    In April 2008, ERCOT published it's Compe ive Renewable Energy Zones Transmission Optimization Study, which provides transmission plans for four scenarios of wind generation. The estimated cost of building new transmission lines to transport wind generated electricity from West and Northwest Texas to urban areas will cost about $1.5 million per mile.
    http://www.seco.cpa.state.tx.us/re_w...ansmission.htm

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    Why is that?

    From what I understand, the cost overruns were due to design changes during construction, screwy operating licensing causing long delays, and each plant having its own design, causing them to have to be built with custom parts.

    If those issues were/are addressed, why would nuclear power be unfeasible?
    Don't forget defending against environmentalists lawsuits.

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    God knows I'm happy that we will finally have a distinguishable border seperating Mexico and the United States through the gulf of Mexico like the last "stimulus" bill had in it, but that money could have been used to pay a years salary for 9 or 10 ironworkers building a power plant.............I'm just sayin.
    Could you imagine the quality of fence and security we could have if we put people to work building a nice border fence?

    If it is deemed we must bail out this economy and create jobs, what better way than border security and power generation?

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    If solar and wind farms are quadrupled, maybe they'll show up as a somewhat thicker line on this pie chart.

    I like their chart. I have to learn how to do that.

    And the chart I generated in a different thread was for electricity alone. Nobody seems to care about how much land I pointed out it would take:
    How many square miles of solar and wind farms will we have to make to make a dent in energy production?

    Going by the latest wiki entry on USA power usage, our current electrical production is 1,075,174 megawatts. Now make enough solar and wind power so that to 25% is solar and 25% is wind, we would have to use 22635.6 sq miles of land. That would be a rectangle 100 miles wide by 226 miles long. That's almost as large as the state of West Virginia which is 24230 sq. miles.

    Please tell us. With your expert opinion, what energy would you like to use to replace CO2 emitting energy?

    I took the wiki numbers and generated this in excel:


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    about $1.5 million per mile.
    I knew immediately the $300k was a low number.

    Thanx.

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    You were acting like it was a bid, WC.

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    Is johnsmith a nuclear contractor?

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    A single line being supported by a single wood pole with a T-bar carrying 115 - 132 KV for a span just shy of 28 miles runs you around $3 - 400,000. The tie in into a transformer or substation runs you upwards of $2,000,000.

    The overall cost for a wind farm nowdays averages you about $2,000,000 per megawatt.

    If you get more KV, it goes up. The above information is fact, based on johnsmith as the source.



    Winehole, just keep sending your little smilies, I'll keep making money off your green ass.

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    I knew immediately the $300k was a low number.

    Thanx.
    Essentially, Coyotes post was an average, I'm bidding this .

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    That flag is, uh, suggestive, WC.

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    What is it?

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    That flag is, uh, suggestive, WC.
    The flag for the city of Portland. Good 'ol fascist People's Republic of Portland, also known as the capitol of the North Left coast.

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    Wow.

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    Wiki: Portland, Oregon



    LOL...

    I forgot about "Little Beirut."

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    How does that derive?

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    It will happen as petroleum, gas, and coal face depletion, making them comparatively more expensive, even without cap and trade, but I have said that before.

    Simple economics.
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    How does that derive?
    Little Beruit?

    I forget. Probably the way the police abuse their power. They kill at will, with the flimsiest of cause.

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    Little Beruit?

    I forget. Probably the way the police abuse their power. They kill at will, with the flimsiest of cause.
    Killer cops?

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    Ay, carnal.

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    Here's just one of several examples:

    Kendra James murder

    The testimony did not match the evidence that exonerated the officer, and she was no threat. Just a scared girl. The warrant wiki mentions was over a misdemeanor.

    The Kendra James trial: Was justice served?

    Excessive police force has been the commonplace in the area. This guy was just burned, in severe pain, and they shot him:

    $1 million settlement reached in 2005 shooting near Sandy

    I could go on and on about police shooting. I think that makes the point.

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    Little Beruit?

    I forget. Probably the way the police abuse their power. They kill at will, with the flimsiest of cause.
    Actually:

    "PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — The nickname "Little Beirut" has stuck to Portland since it was first coined by the staff of former President Bush after violent protests during his visits to Oregon in the early 1990s, and the reputation remains strong as his son prepares to return more than a decade later."

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/966872/posts

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    Why do you need that sourced? That seems real cheap to me. , three miles of wire alone isn't cheap, then how many towers to support it, and how many manhours?
    "one line off of a wind tubine costs $300,000 per mile. "

    Seems to me to be a specific fact, such things are easily sourced.

    If johnsmith says it is from personal knowledge of a bid he was involved with, that is good enough for me.

    I can take people at their word, especially since I have no reason to doubt them.

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