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    Not really, if he did not sign an extension, he would be a restricted free agent. Many teams do not touch restricted free agents like Ramon Sessions and the Raptors would get him back easily. Rather than risk him slacking next season.
    I hear ya, but next year will be different. Tons of teams have made sure they have available $$ for the 2010 FA's, foolishly thinking they have a chance of landing 'Bron or Bosh, somebody ... probably multiple somebodies ... would have gone after him.

    Toronto locked up a talented big man who's only getting better for a fair price. I can't be mad at them.

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    In free agency, there are winners, there are losers, and there are the Raptors.

    After coming to terms with the most popular girl in school, the Raps have also agreed to extend former number one overall pick, resident Italian, and Dirk Nowitzki’s shadow mainstay Andrea Bargnani for five years and around $50 million. That’s a chunk of change, and Bargnani, while solid, isn’t quite a chunk of a player.

    Not to wave the HP banner too much, but Moore hit this one right on the head. This could easily be a move that inspires outrage from armchair GMs everywhere, claiming that Bargs doesn’t deserve this money and that the Raps are crazy for offering it. But Bargnani is a capable player and a contributor, and a young one at that. Forget the fact that he and Bosh play the same position and often fulfill similar roles and fill similar spaces. Those things are important, but when you’re the Toronto Raptors on the wrong side of this decade, you’ve got bigger fish to fry.

    The Raps have Chris Bosh, Jose Calderon, and now Hedo Turkoglu, but not much else. The obvious motive, as Matt outlined at FanHouse, is to get a crew fun and quirky and talented enough for Bosh to want to stick around. Still, the Raps’ need for real talent goes deeper than that. It’s not just about keeping Bosh, but also about keeping the good players in Toronto in general. I don’t think that Toronto is an unattractive market or a bad city by any means, but the team is running low on players that matter, and this extension could be considered just one of many moves (in the past, and to come) made by Colangelo to salvage what he can from the current roster. Even if Bosh decides to bolt for greener pastures, the Raptors are going to need assets. They’re going to need players to build around or at the very least, that can be liquidated for some value in a rebuild. I doubt Bargs will fetch a sweet price on the trade market, but at this point he’s one of the more valuable chips the Raptors have. That’s not something that you let go walking out your front door, even if the scoring is streaky and it would be kind to describe the defense in the same way.

    That’s why the Raptors essentially get a free pass on this extension. They could have waited a season to get negotiations underway, but since it’s clear that the Raps intend to keep Bargnani in Toronto, it’s hard to argue with their timing. Even in what was supposed to be a pinched market, contributing scorers are getting some big money. Charlie and Gordon got PAID by the Pistons, Hedo likely got a contract well above his value, a second-string center will sign with the Mavs for the full midlevel, and others like Brandon Bass and Glen Davis are likely to get sizable deals despite limited roles. There are teams willing to pay anyone who can play, and Bargs can sure as do that. Where his ceiling lies, and how this contract fits that ceiling is another debate altogether. It’s one that lies somewhere beyond the black and white, and beyond the gray area in between. Teams desperate to hold onto their talented sub-stars are operating in a spectrum unto themselves, where the typical judgments and evaluations need not apply.
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    Bosh is out

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    Question isn't whether he has potential to live up to the contract. Question is did Toronto have to pay that much to get him to sign an extension. Would he really have been insulted by a $7-8 million a year contract? Would another NBA team offer him something more? Would he bail and go to Europe if he didn't get $10 million per year? Just saying, it does sound a bit high for him, even as a 7 footer who played well and is still developing. But, hey, Memphis paid Darko $7 million a year after already being proven a bust, and Bogut got something like $11 million a year, and Kaman got something around the same. Young big men with legitimate size will get paid in this league, even if they're not worth it.

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    Man, I'm not sure if I'm even going to follow them next year. Colangelo better pull a miracle out of his ass; I don't know what other quality players they can bring over for next season.

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    10 millions?

    Holy

    While Banani had a good 2008-2009 individual season, you can't offer him that kind of contract based on 1 season

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    Well, Colangelo is a dumbass. But he wears very hip suits and crosses his arms a lot, so I'm satisfied.

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    Bryan Colangelo continues to be a top five overrated person in basketball.

    By far the best comment in this thread

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    Well to be fair he is much better than the one you guys have now.

    Not really.

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    he's softer than Dirk. That says it all

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    Not even close to being worth that much... wow I can't believe some teams
    actually, barganani played just as well as Rashard Lewis last season. Lewis gets paid more than twice as much. it's acutally a bargan.

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    bad comparison. Lewis is probably the most overpayed athlete in sports

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    Terrible contract

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    holy
    while the nearly 20/8 he averaged after december last season was nice,
    thats a load of money...

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    It is not Bargs only good season. His rookie season was damn good (25 mins, 43% FG, 37% 3PT FG, 82% FT, 4 REB, .8 AST, .8 BLK, 12 PTS), compare that with Dirks's rookie season (20 mins, 41% FG, 21% 3PT FG, 77% FT, 3.4 REB, 1 AST, .6 BLKS, 8.2 PTS).

    That is a solid first season for Bargs and he had a fantastic playoff showing. Then he struggled his second year and everyone ripped him. Fair enough, but he bounced back in a big way this year and especially from the All Star Break and on.

    10M is not a bad deal at all for someone showing the ability to be this versatile and big. He is a nice athlete and has a better attacking the rim game than Dirk does. He may not improve much and then you could argue the 10M was wasted, but many guys his size with half of his tools make the same amount or more. If he continues to develop, then 10M is a great deal.


    P.S.: No matter what Timvp will rip Bargs. He had a solid season and he still rips him because he is not Dirk. He was a #1 pick, but not a traditional one. It was not a deep draft and he has time to be the best player out of the draft still. When you draft like that you have to hope your number 1 pick is a top 5 player in his class (give or take) before you can call him a bust. Here is a list of players one might try and argue or definitely say are better from his class as of now:

    Paul Millsap - Debatable 2nd round pick
    LaMarcus Aldrigde - Debatable 2nd pick
    Brandon Roy - Definitely better right now 6th pick
    Randy Foye- Debatable 7th pick
    Rudy Gay - Debatable 8th pick
    Rajon Rondo - Definitely better right now 21st pick

    That is only 6 players that can even be argued and only 2 that are for sure better right now. I would say imo that only Roy/Rondo/Millsap are better and Millsap is tough because of his role/minutes played. Bargs still has the potential to be just as good as all of them.
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    really? Id rather have a 7 footer that can shoot than Rondo.

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    Well Rondo was a starter on a championship team, so you easily have to give him the nod. Plus he had an excellent year last year. Some people love Rondo, some hate him, but he has had some success.

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    P.S.: No matter what Timvp will rip Bargs. He had a solid season and he still rips him because he is not Dirk. He was a #1 pick, but not a traditional one. It was not a deep draft and he has time to be the best player out of the draft still.

    He'll never be as good as Brandon Roy.

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    He'll never be as good as Brandon Roy.
    How can you say that? Brandon Roy will never be 7 feet tall. Let it play out. I am not saying it is likely, but if he can be any where close (which is hard to project because they play on different teams and different positions) that would be a very successful pick.

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    How can you say that?

    Because I can.

    Also, for all the mediocre stats you post about Angelina Macaroni, you're ignoring the fact he couldn't stop a cupcake from scoring.

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    Because I can.

    Also, for all the mediocre stats you post about Angelina Macaroni, you're ignoring the fact he couldn't stop a cupcake from scoring.
    Yes you can say it, does not make it right.

    Bargnani is in his third year, I am not saying he is a defensive all-star. Dirk could stop someone? Al Jefferson could? Amare could?

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    The guy is a scorer and a unique one at that. If he continues to grow and learn he can be very very good. He can work on his rebounding as well. His shot blocking was up (not that it is an indication of good defense) which is useful as well.

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    Dirk could? Al Jefferson could? Amare could?

    They're not a part of this discussion, and that's not really fair to big Al. If he still is lazy on defense after he gets teammates that contribute on offense and create their own shot, then he's officially a bad defender. Until then he's a guy that needs to focus all his energy on offense.

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    No matter how you look at it can we at least agree he's not worth close to what he was just extended for?

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    It's fair value.

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