Rumor: Marion to Mavericks will be announced today

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lol in the western confernce finals

if the spurs get mdyess and lakers lose odom the spurs should be as good as LA or even better

mavs look imtiminating if this happens but marion has been described as a selfish player i see mavs being the 4th best team in the conference right now

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Weren't they sixth in the west last year? Sounds like a step up to me. If you have HCA in the first round you've got a legitimate shot. The Mavs might need some luck to fall their way, but that happens to every team who wins.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I agree that D'Antoni had many flaws and needed to go, but saying he didnt like young players is disingenuous. LB was young. Amare was young. Joe Johnson was young.

In 2004-2005, the Phoenix Suns were the youngest team in the NBA.

D'Antoni didnt have problems with young players, he was stating that his priority was to go after veterans to help them win a championship rather than draft rookies who he would have to play if they were ever going to develop. You, like so many others, are taking his quote completely out of context.

You should hook up with JMarksJohn if he's still around. He too loved to use every D'Antoni cliche in the book.

I might agree with you that D'Antoni might have been consulted before trading KT, but I doubt it. I dont blame Kerr. He is the quintessential "Yes-Man" who does whatever the owner wants him to do.


btw - Sorry, Mavs fans for hi-jacking your thread.

JMarksJohn is smart enough to know D'antoni was a joke. Yes he still posts and he knows what he's talking about.

And D'antoni killed Amare's development. Absolutely killed it. He never held Amare accountable for defense or help him play better defense, and rather than give Amare touches in the post and allow him to develop a post game, he made Amare a one dimensional pick and roll scorer.

Your basing all of your stuff off conjecture. It's not an issue of "might", it's public knowledge that KT was traded largely cause D'antoni said he wasn't going to use him much. Do you not remember the playoffs in 2007 when D'antoni threw game 1 against the Spurs away because he didn't use Kurt Thomas? If D'antoni had nothing to do with sold draft picks, explain why the team hasn't sold a single pick since he left?

The notion D'antoni didn't like young players because he wanted to win a championship is re ed. If D'antoni wanted a championship, he would have emphasized defense more. He didn't like developing players because he was too stubborn and impatient to watch players make mistakes.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

-_- only in 2006!

Thanks for proving my point. 2006 makes it very clear that the 2005-2007 Suns were way more dependent off Marion than Amare. They won 54 games that season and were 2 games away from the finals that season w/o Amare. If Amare was healthy in 2006 and Marion wasn't, I guarantee they don't win that many regular season games nor do they win that many playoff games.

[sribb43]

lol in the western confernce finals

if the spurs get mdyess and lakers lose odom the spurs should be as good as LA or even better

mavs look imtiminating if this happens but marion has been described as a selfish player i see mavs being the 4th best team in the conference right now

lakers
spurs
blazers
mavs

all selfish players who have come to the Mavs have faired well here...Van Exel ans Stack come to mind. I dont think he will be a problem here. With Kidd at PG, there are plenty of shots to go around

[da_suns_fan]

JMarksJohn is smart enough to know D'antoni was a joke. Yes he still posts and he knows what he's talking about.

Good to know. No doubt he's still upset the Suns didnt re-sing DJ Strawberry to a max contract (and the rest of those guys on the bench that D'Antoni never played that couldnt stay in the league).

And D'antoni killed Amare's development. Absolutely killed it. He never held Amare accountable for defense or help him play better defense, and rather than give Amare touches in the post and allow him to develop a post game, he made Amare a one dimensional pick and roll scorer..

Some blame can be given to D'Antoni, but as you say its not "cut and dry". Amare will never be a good post player because Amare doesnt like contact. Amare doesnt like contact, rebounding or playing defense because all three are physically exhausting and he doesnt like to exert himself.

Amare never had the IQ to develop a solid post game a la Boris Diaw. Unfortunatley Diaw was more concerned with the ladies and whats for lunch rather than basketball.

Your basing all of your stuff off conjecture. It's not an issue of "might", it's public knowledge that KT was traded largely cause D'antoni said he wasn't going to use him much. Do you not remember the playoffs in 2007 when D'antoni threw game 1 against the Spurs away because he didn't use Kurt Thomas? If D'antoni had nothing to do with sold draft picks, explain why the team hasn't sold a single pick since he left? .

Well, if the Suns would have sold their picks in 2007 I think the fans would have mutinied after three straight years.

I think your observation is more of a product of timing rather than D'Antoni being the source. What did D'Antoni have to gain from selling draft picks? He didnt pocket the cash. He was the one stuck with the scrubs at the end of his bench. One man is responsible for selling those picks and he's the guy with the stupid foam finger.

The notion D'antoni didn't like young players because he wanted to win a championship is re ed. If D'antoni wanted a championship, he would have emphasized defense more. He didn't like developing players because he was too stubborn and impatient to watch players make mistakes.

So you are saying that Mike didnt care about a championship and thats why he didnt emphasize defense more?

Sorry to break it to you, but Mike D'Antoni is an actual person and not the silly caricature you are making him out to be. I agreed that he had to go because he was just getting owned by Popovic year after year and we needed to try something else, but he's the source of all the Suns problems and neither was BC.

Well, Im out. Back to phxsuns.net.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

So you are saying that Mike didnt care about a championship and thats why he didnt emphasize defense more?

Mike cares more about having fun than winning championships. He's said so himself.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

What did D'Antoni have to gain from selling draft picks?

He didn't, Sarver wanted him to sell the picks since he made it clear he wouldn't be using the players.

[Ghazi]

This thread isn't about the Suns and, I'm getting impatient!

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

This thread isn't about the Suns and, I'm getting impatient!

Go jump off a bridge.

[Ditty]

all selfish players who have come to the Mavs have faired well here...Van Exel ans Stack come to mind. I dont think he will be a problem here. With Kidd at PG, there are plenty of shots to go around

well im not trying to dog on the mavs like usual but thats what wins games but not championships

i believe they might be better than the nuggets this season

i think the nuggets will be a one and done team like the 2008 hornets

[Shank]

Grizzlies are now in the mix.

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4314637

shank just beat me to it

[kobyz]

good move by both teams.
Mavericks get better with Marion without giving nothing just take bad contract that Cuban not mind.
Raptors get rid of bad contract.

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so im guessing Mavs get Marion, Grizzlies get Stack, and Raptors get cash or picks?

[Shank]

A fourth team might be involved, so it looks as though someone else might be pawning their crap off on another. Jaric, Banks, Humphries?

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hm... maybe this can be a way for the mavs to get rid of the plethora of swingmen they would have... howard, marion, wright, george, williams, carroll, ross... id like to keep williams the most and see if he can develop into anything. dont really care about george, wright, or carroll. although carroll is a pretty good 3 point shooter, i dont mind holding onto him, but williams is supposed to actually be a very good shooter himself, and is a lot more athletic. so who knows...

[DPG21920]

What is in this for the Grizz?

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Hot damn.

Yet sources told ESPN.com that the deal, while very far along, has not been finalized and was unlikely to be completed before Thursday at the earliest, with the trade potentially including a fourth team in its final form.

The Mavericks' interest in a sign-and-trade deal for Marion emerged Tuesday but requires Dallas and Toronto to find at least one more team to facilitate the trade because the Raptors can't waive Stackhouse without incurring an extra $2 million in payroll for next season, which would slice into the cap space they have earmarked to sign prized free agent Hedo Turkoglu away from Orlando.

But the Grizzlies' participation would involve Memphis absorbing Stackhouse's $7.25 million contract and buying him out for $2 million before the Aug. 10 deadline in Stackhouse's contract. It's believed that the trade will stipulate that Dallas pays that $2 million to the Grizzlies to cover that expense.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4314637

[ploto]

What is in this for the Grizz?

They probably get a "free" pick because Dallas will include the cash to buy out Stack in the deal, so it costs them nothing.

[DPG21920]

They probably get a "free" pick because Dallas will include the cash to buy out Stack in the deal, so it costs them nothing.

Oh, ok. I just looked at their cap situation and they are wayyyyyyyyy below. So it does not hurt them to absorb the contract.

[jag]

If this ends up going through....then this season is going to be wild.

Lakers, Spurs, Mavs, Blazers, Cavs, Celtics, Magic...Stacked

[Shank]

Should this happen and the Mavs find takers for bodies/picks for some of the fat ( breath, Pothead Shawne Williams, Wright, Carroll), they'll still be in great position with JHo and Dampier around the trade deadline. Things are looking better today than they did last week. Just hoping the bottom doesn't fall out like we know it can.

[monosylab1k]

Trades like this never happen for the Mavericks. I still don't believe it.

[Shank]

Trades like this never happen for the Mavericks. I still don't believe it.

Look for Marion to wrap his car around a tree tonight and ruin the whole thing.

[ploto]

Don't know the reliability. Sounds like another attempt by Toronto to shed some salary.

Also makes more room for Rasho whose chances of returning to Toronto have greatly increased with the past week's activity.

Kris Humphries will apparently be a Mav. Whether he can play isn’t the issue right now; it’s more about working him him to see if he will waive some or all of his option year, or make Year Two a partial guarantee, or something like that.

http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullColumn.php?id=1817