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  1. #26
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    Mavs are going to be a very good team next year, if they can find a way to make Marion work in their system.

    You have to boggle at the matchups now, if the Spurs and Mavs meet:

    Parker vs. Kidd
    Jefferson vs. Howard/Terry
    Manu vs. Marion
    Duncan vs. Dirk
    Dice vs. Gortat

    Wow. That would be a of a series. I think on paper a healthy Spurs team wins all of the matchups, but Jason Kidd makes everyone better.
    I really don't think Jefferson is much better than Howard, if at all. And Dirk > Duncan for sure. Dice and Gortat remains to be seen. Right now, Dice > Gortat, but that's based off of what was basically Gortat's rookie season. He's young, Dice is old.

    I think matchups definitely favor the Mavs when looking closer. Now the Spurs have absolutely no one that can match up on Dirk. Dice might be the best option, but he is too small and slow for Dirk. And then how are they going to contain Howard and Marion? They proved last year that they can't even guard a 1 legged Howard, and now they added a guy like Marion who moves constantly without the ball, and both of them are very athletic. Jefferson will get better at D with Pop coaching, but still sucks at it. And I don't see Manu being able to prevent Marion from catching oops. It's an especially bad matchup given his history of doubling onto Dirk... lol.

    Parker is the ONLY guy that would be a real cause for concern, but as long as they limit the production from everyone else, it won't really matter.

    Thats just my take though. All of this remains to be seen for when the season begins. It may be the most interesting season in history, considering all the big moves made, great teams getting better, etc... And whats baffling is... next season MAY be even more interesting.

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    Yeah... Dirk is still Dirk. MVP material when he is ath his best.

    And the supporting cast is quite solid.


    But after seeing what TP was doing to them and now to have Antonio, RJ and Manu in the mix... they don't stand a chance in my opinion.
    Nothing Tony Parker did in that series was fatal of course. And I LOVE Marion and Josh together as our wing defenders. We can crossmatch now with Marion for the quick PGs Kidd can't stay in front of.

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    Nothing Tony Parker did in that series was fatal of course. And I LOVE Marion and Josh together as our wing defenders. We can crossmatch now with Marion for the quick PGs Kidd can't stay in front of.
    Oh don't say that. Now spurfans are going to praise Tony Parker like hes greater than Jordan, bla bla bla...

    Spurfans are the reason people don't like Tony Parker. Just like Lakerfans are the reason people don't like Kobe.

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    I'd argue that the Spurs look more like an assortment of parts chosen to fit together in a system, whilst the Mavs' roster looks more like a a bunch of interesting names that I'm far less sure will fit together well. I think we're still a rung above them, but a week ago we were 3 rungs higher up the ladder.

    As per usual, Spurs v Mavs should be a fight. We'll see how the teams are gelling in about 6 months.

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    I'd argue that the Spurs look more like an assortment of parts chosen to fit together in a system, whilst the Mavs' roster looks more like a a bunch of interesting names that I'm far less sure will fit together well. I think we're still a rung above them, but a week ago we were 3 rungs higher up the ladder.

    As per usual, Spurs v Mavs should be a fight. We'll see how the teams are gelling in about 6 months.
    and after this past season we both thought our teams were heading in a downward spirl

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    and after this past season we both thought our teams were heading in a downward spirl
    Part of me was more worried about the Spurs than the Mavs. y as he may be, if you have an owner that's willing to spend like Cuban bouncing back is always a possibility. I don't know what got Holt spending like he's got holes in his pockets, but these moves could make the I-35 rivalry as intense as ever and that's saying a lot.

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    hopefully gortat doesnt end up being a bust the way dampier did when they got him off golden state

    would be deja vu all over again
    Well, not quite, as Dampier had an entire season of 12&12 including nearly 5 offensive rebounds a game to go along with 5 FTAs and 2 blocks.

    Gortat had a couple of games in the playoffs.

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    I really don't think Jefferson is much better than Howard, if at all. And Dirk > Duncan for sure. Dice and Gortat remains to be seen. Right now, Dice > Gortat, but that's based off of what was basically Gortat's rookie season. He's young, Dice is old.

    I think matchups definitely favor the Mavs when looking closer. Now the Spurs have absolutely no one that can match up on Dirk. Dice might be the best option, but he is too small and slow for Dirk. And then how are they going to contain Howard and Marion? They proved last year that they can't even guard a 1 legged Howard, and now they added a guy like Marion who moves constantly without the ball, and both of them are very athletic. Jefferson will get better at D with Pop coaching, but still sucks at it. And I don't see Manu being able to prevent Marion from catching oops. It's an especially bad matchup given his history of doubling onto Dirk... lol.

    Parker is the ONLY guy that would be a real cause for concern, but as long as they limit the production from everyone else, it won't really matter.

    Thats just my take though. All of this remains to be seen for when the season begins. It may be the most interesting season in history, considering all the big moves made, great teams getting better, etc... And whats baffling is... next season MAY be even more interesting.
    you lost all credibility at the bolded section. no need for me to read the rest.

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    How will Mavs fan live with the torture of knowing they don't have breath to on when things go bad?

    Also, this finally vaults a team past Utah for the most white-black guys on a single NBA team, adding both Marion and Kris Humphries to Kidd, passing the mere duo of Deron Williams and Boozer.

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    i haven't seen marion, gortat, or jefferson very much lately.

    mcdyess, however, is a solid signing.

    and blair could be kick ass.

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    Marion is going to cross-match onto quick PG's like Parker? That didn't work out well at all for Pheonix, and that was when Marion was younger. I suspect he's gotten half a step slower...

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    i have no credibility cuz i live in the past and lick balls

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    A large part of why Marion couldn't shut down PGs in Phoenix when he switched onto them is because most of the other Suns players didn't play any defense, much less team defense or help defense. D'Antoni didn't have defensive sets to help Marion out. They just expected him to stop individual players with individual defense. That's hard for any NBA player to do. Not that Dallas is a defensive stalwart team, but they actually collectively play defense more so than D'Antoni's Suns teams ever did, and Carlisle does coach defense. And, Gortat and Dampier will give "some" help defense whereas Marion got zero help defense from the likes of Amare Stoudemire. Not that age hasn't hit Marion and he won't struggle at all, but it's hard to compare the situation with his time in Phoenix considering what that team and coaching staff thought of defense.

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    Being a Mavs fan, I can only hope for the best. On paper, I think it does put them in the mix with the afore mentioned teams. You never know though, until they play together. I still remember the Antwaan/Antoine debacle a few years back.

    I've been checking out ya'lls site and it's a pretty good one. I've been embarrased by some of the Mavs fans comments. I kinda feel like I need to apologize for them but hey, their grown people.(I think) Next season should be an interesting one. That much is for sure.
    Absolutely...good luck to ya man...here's hoping the great games in the rivalry continue.

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    A large part of why Marion couldn't shut down PGs in Phoenix when he switched onto them is because most of the other Suns players didn't play any defense, much less team defense or help defense. D'Antoni didn't have defensive sets to help Marion out. They just expected him to stop individual players with individual defense. That's hard for any NBA player to do. Not that Dallas is a defensive stalwart team, but they actually collectively play defense more so than D'Antoni's Suns teams ever did, and Carlisle does coach defense. And, Gortat and Dampier will give "some" help defense whereas Marion got zero help defense from the likes of Amare Stoudemire. Not that age hasn't hit Marion and he won't struggle at all, but it's hard to compare the situation with his time in Phoenix considering what that team and coaching staff thought of defense.
    Yeah, having other people who play defense, and someone in the middle who can legitimately clog the lane and make drivers think twice, helps a LOT.

    Marion's defense is going to be better than people think IMO. I think he will definitely be able to play some solid defense against guys like Kobe and Lebron now that he actually has some help around him.

    I've wanted Marion for some time now, but the more and more I think about this trade, the more and more excited I get for the coming season. I think I'm just glad Cubes finally made some moves.

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    i haven't seen marion, gortat, or jefferson very much lately.

    mcdyess, however, is a solid signing.

    and blair could be kick ass.
    Marion's still got it, and Gortat is one of those guys that could be a star...eventually...Jefferson is one of only two players (Kobe being the other one) that averaged over 20 points a game over the last two years without missing a single game.

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    Part of me was more worried about the Spurs than the Mavs. y as he may be, if you have an owner that's willing to spend like Cuban bouncing back is always a possibility. I don't know what got Holt spending like he's got holes in his pockets, but these moves could make the I-35 rivalry as intense as ever and that's saying a lot.
    I can tell ya the answer to that, bro...Tim Duncan's retiring in 2012..after all he's done for this team, he wants Timmy to have a ring for every finger on one hand.

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    ...and one to replace that strike ring wouldn't hurt, eh?

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    How will Mavs fan live with the torture of knowing they don't have breath to on when things go bad?
    I was thinking the same thing, but thankfully Mark signed Quinton Ross to a contract. Ross is basically a poor man's Greg Buckner. And then we managed to get back Greg Buckner, who at this point in his career is a poor man's Quinton Ross.

    We're all set with our whipping boys.

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    kris humphries

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    Ross is basically a poor man's Greg Buckner.
    & some kind of purported "Kobe Stopper"...like Battier= hair & ass on fire.

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    stretchy as long as Dirk shoots fadeaway jumpers over shooting guards he will be less than Duncan. I do expect a beastin year out of him, now that his is out of the way.

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    I was thinking the same thing, but thankfully Mark signed Quinton Ross to a contract. Ross is basically a poor man's Greg Buckner. And then we managed to get back Greg Buckner, who at this point in his career is a poor man's Quinton Ross.

    We're all set with our whipping boys.
    What do you mean by "boys"?

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    stretchy as long as Dirk shoots fadeaway jumpers over shooting guards he will be less than Duncan. I do expect a beastin year out of him, now that his is out of the way.
    lol 4-1

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    lol you thinking Dirk>Tim

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