What's missing

[bishopospurs]

I think right now we need a backup SF mostly

[ulosturedge]

I think we are fine... If there is any trade i'm only willing to part with Bonner and Finley. I'd rather not give up Hill or Mason. Maybe Mason if it is definitely for a better piece to add to our roster.

[Russ]

Get Bowen back.

Anything and everything else would be gravy at this point.

Bowen plus another cheap big.

[MaNu4Tres]

3 out of the 5 players you mentioned are unproven in the NBA. That's how Camby fits.

If everything goes according to the "Spurstalk Plan" and Mahinmi is actually a French basketball god, Blair is the steal of the draft, and Haislip is something more than a former NBA washout, then the Spurs the problem of too many talented big men. If, however, one or two of those young, unproven players demonstrate that they aren't ready....then the Spurs have Camby.

Great post.

I was going to explain that as well. But you did it better than I would have.

Come close to the trading deadline if our young big men don't live up to the bill, Camby would make a lot of sense.

If your young bigs do live up to the bill, then we could turn our attention towards a wing like Raja Bell, Shane Battier.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

3 out of the 5 players you mentioned are unproven in the NBA. That's how Camby fits.

If everything goes according to the "Spurstalk Plan" and Mahinmi is actually a French basketball god, Blair is the steal of the draft, and Haislip is something more than a former NBA washout, then the Spurs have the problem of too many talented big men. If, however, one or two of those young, unproven players demonstrate that they aren't ready....then the Spurs have Camby.

Or, the Spurs hang on to their trade bait (Bonner and Finley) while they trial their young bigs through the first 3 months of the season, and if things aren't working they trade for Camby in January, as Manu4Tres suggests. Sounds like a better idea to me.

Really, what is the point of bringing in all this youth and then signing so many vets that none of them ever get to play?

[MaNu4Tres]

Or, the Spurs hang on to their trade bait (Bonner and Finley) while they trial their young bigs through the first 3 months of the season, and if things aren't working they trade for Camby in January, as Manu4Tres suggests. Sounds like a better idea to me.

Really, what is the point of bringing in all this youth and then signing so many vets that none of them ever get to play?

I hope Pop really lets the young pups loose and see's who sinks or swims the first 3 months of the year. ( On Bonner's watch as well)

Kind of like how Doc Rivers did with Perkins/ Powe/ Davis back in 2007/2008.

I think the best option is to hold on to trade fodder right now and see how that scenario plays out.

[Mr. Body]

As for PGs, is Shaun Livingston currently under contract?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

3 out of the 5 players you mentioned are unproven in the NBA. That's how Camby fits.

If everything goes according to the "Spurstalk Plan" and Mahinmi is actually a French basketball god, Blair is the steal of the draft, and Haislip is something more than a former NBA washout, then the Spurs have the problem of too many talented big men. If, however, one or two of those young, unproven players demonstrate that they aren't ready....then the Spurs have Camby.

The issue with this idea is that youre essentially going to stifle the development of all those younger players. Camby is going to demand minutes as well he should. Unfortunately, every minute that we give Camby is a minute taken away from a young player to help him learn the NBA game.

At some point you have to trust your internal talent evaluation and give the young players the time that they need to develop. Even with McDyess on board, he and Duncan are going to have heavily regulated minutes from Pop which will give plenty of time for the young guys. Add Camby and there is no real time left over.

[poeticism707]

3 out of the 5 players you mentioned are unproven in the NBA. That's how Camby fits.

If everything goes according to the "Spurstalk Plan" and Mahinmi is actually a French basketball god, Blair is the steal of the draft, and Haislip is something more than a former NBA washout, then the Spurs have the problem of too many talented big men. If, however, one or two of those young, unproven players demonstrate that they aren't ready....then the Spurs have Camby.

Agreed. There is NO SUCH THING as having too many bigs! Some will work out, others won't. This isn't a knock on Blair and Co., but if for some reason they weren't as NBA ready as everyone thinks (or due to injury), with Duncan, Dice, and Camby, you can still win a le without them. Duncan may very well only have 2-3 years left, and you can't play roulette with bigs, epecially if you have an opportunity to add Camby for for a few roleplayers.

Of course, maybe ALL OF THOSE YOUNG PLAYERS WORK OUT, you get Camby, and win the le, but it's overkill.

Well, overkill is FAR BETTER THAN underkill.

Most unfortunately, the Spurs know what that feels like the past two seasons.

To summarize: if you can get Camby for 2 or 3 roleplayers because the Clips want cap space, YOU DO IT.

YOU DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Agreed. There is NO SUCH THING as having too many bigs! Some will work out, others won't. This isn't a knock on Blair and Co., but if for some reason they weren't as NBA ready as everyone thinks (or due to injury), with Duncan, Dice, and Camby, you can still win a le without them. Duncan may very well only have 2-3 years left, and you can't play roulette with bigs, epecially if you have an opportunity to add Camby for for a few roleplayers.

Of course, maybe ALL OF THOSE YOUNG PLAYERS WORK OUT, you get Camby, and win the le, but it's overkill.

Well, overkill is FAR BETTER THAN underkill.

Most unfortunately, the Spurs know what that feels like the past two seasons.

To summarize: if you can get Camby for 2 or 3 roleplayers because the Clips want cap space, YOU DO IT. (1)

YOU DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT.(2)

(1) At this point in the season, unlikely. Closer to the deadline, more likely.

(2) You're all about the "don't even think about it", eh? (even though you obviously thought about it!)

[poeticism707]

(1) At this point in the season, unlikely. Closer to the deadline, more likely.

(2) You're all about the "don't even think about it", eh? (even though you obviously thought about it!)

Some deals require so little thought you have to round to "no thinking at all" in order to categorize them.

Someone might as well asked if I'd give up Bonner and Finley for 2004 Ben Wallace.

Are you crazy? Have you seen how he plays the game?

Sign him already, and let's have no more talk about it, lol.

[Darkwaters]

If I were to make one move it would probably be to scoop up Nocioni (Finley+Bonner+Williams works).

Nocioni is that crucial combo forward we've been missing for a while. He can provide minutes at the 3 or 4 and plays tough defense and can hit the long ball. The young frontcourt will be strengthened by his play considerably and he can go where hes needed (3 or 4).

Then you sign Gist and McClinton and a veteran PG for the minimum to fill out the roster.

Points
Parker
Hill
Veteran

Wings
Ginobili
Jefferson
Mason
Nocioni
Hairston
McClinton

Posts
Duncan
McDyess
Blair
Haislip
Mahinmi
Gist

You can stick any combination of Gist/McClinton/Hairston and the Vet PG on the IR (and two of the former 3 can play in Austin.

[NZ Spurs]

Does the signing of Marion by the Mavs provide more motivation to bring back Bowen?

[Ice009]

http://www.morningjournal.com/articl.../mj1308110.txt

"One rumor floating around had the Cavs sending guard/forward Wally Szczerbiak and forward/center J.J. Hickson to Charlotte for forward Gerald Wallace in a sign-and-trade."

If the Hornets want to salary dump Gerald Wallace, Pop should call up Larry Brown ASAP.

[CGD]

http://www.morningjournal.com/articl.../mj1308110.txt

"One rumor floating around had the Cavs sending guard/forward Wally Szczerbiak and forward/center J.J. Hickson to Charlotte for forward Gerald Wallace in a sign-and-trade."

If the Hornets want to salary dump Gerald Wallace, Pop should call up Larry Brown ASAP.

Gerald Wallace's contract is terrible. Plus, it goes through 2012/13 with the last year as a player option worth over $11M. yuck!

[loveforthegame]

I follow the Kings and don't believe Nocioni is available. The Kings love him and he became an instant crowd favorite once he arrived.

[tp2021]

Bring back #12 and go get #5

[mudyez]

not even a game played and I miss Bowen so much...it would be freakish to not have him on the team...furthermore I think, he fits what we need pretty good...

having a dependable defender agasint SG's, SF's and even some PF's would be nice to have...I'm all for giving our young players some time to show what they can do, but Bruce for a few bucks would be better than any other option I can think of...especially come playoff time (always nice to bring in Bruce against Kobe...and if its only for 6 minutes I'm fine with it too)

[Ginnoobbllee]

With Dice signed, maybe Haislip is now expendable. He might have been signed as an insurance policy in case we didn't get a good big and with the lux tax, His salary costs the Spurs 4 million. He might be the sign and trade guy for a cheap backup point guard and a 2nd round pick.

I expect the rumored trade is a minor deal, not a big roster changer. I also don't expect there is much of a market for Bonner. Finley is still useful as a relief shooter for small minutes. He has hit some clutch shots for the Spurs even in the last two years.

Any trade will likely be a minor tweek and to relieve some pain from Holt's wallet, I expect.

The Spurs offseason moves are pretty much done. Bonner might be moved during the season towards the trade deadline, when his expiring contract would be less costly to a suitor.

[coyotes_geek]

The Spurs can't trade Haislip until December 15th.

[kbrury]

With Dice signed, maybe Haislip is now expendable. He might have been signed as an insurance policy in case we didn't get a good big and with the lux tax, His salary costs the Spurs 4 million. He might be the sign and trade guy for a cheap backup point guard and a 2nd round pick.

I expect the rumored trade is a minor deal, not a big roster changer. I also don't expect there is much of a market for Bonner. Finley is still useful as a relief shooter for small minutes. He has hit some clutch shots for the Spurs even in the last two years.

Any trade will likely be a minor tweek and to relieve some pain from Holt's wallet, I expect.

The Spurs offseason moves are pretty much done. Bonner might be moved during the season towards the trade deadline, when his expiring contract would be less costly to a suitor.

At least see how Haislip plays in an NBA game before trying to trade him.