McDyess vs lakers last season

[lefty]

Manu and RJ are not excellent defensive players. Take those colored black and silver sucking glasses off.

What ?

Damn you really are re ed

[ElNono]

Manu and RJ are not excellent defensive players. Take those colored black and silver sucking glasses off.

I disagree. Manu is not Bowen, but he can more than hold his own.

[lefty]

Defensive Rating
2003-04 NBA 93.1 (6)
2004-05 NBA 97.5 (6)
2005-06 NBA 98.0 (4)
2006-07 NBA 97.9 (5)
Active 97.7 (3)

[lefty]

I can't wait to see Blair push around GaSoft

Yeah, but the problem is that Gasol will use the vocal flopping tips he got from Kobe.

That s seems to work every time

[Shastafarian]

Odom has no where to go besides LA. Stop dreaming.

Paker, Manu, RJ with Hill, Finley, Mason off the bench?

Easily one of the worst perimeter defenses in the entire NBA. The corpse of Bruce Bowen isn't going to save you either. Kobe made Bruce his in 2008, it would be even worse next year.

Let's do a comparison shall we?

Parker Opponent FG% by position:
PG - 48.1%

Fisher Opponent FG% by position:
PG - 47.1%
SG - 100% (small sample size but still hahahahahahahahaha)

Fisher has a 1% advantage

Mason Opponent FG% by position:
PG - 46.5%
SG - 50.9%
SF - 45.3%

Kobe Opponent FG% by position:
PG - 44.6%
SG - 50.3%
SF - 57.3%

Kobe has a slight advantage against PGs and SGs and sucks something raw against SFs

Manu Opponent FG% by position:
SG - 50.2%
SF - 51.4%

Vujacic Opponent FG% by position:
PG - 45.9%
SG - 48.5%
SF - 62.5%

Vujacic has the advantage against PGs and SGs but he also blows hard at guarding SFs

Jefferson Opponent FG% by position:
SG - 44.6%
SF - 47.9%
PF - 39.6%

Artest Opponent FG% by position:
SF - 45.9%
PF - 50%

Artest has a 2% advantage against SFs but gives up over 10% against PFs

Hill Opponent FG% by position:
PG - 45%
SG - 51.1%

Farmar Opponent FG% by position:
PG - 45.4%

Pretty even and Farmar can't guard SGs

Finley Opponent FG% by position:
SG - 54.7%
SF - 49.8%
PF - 43.4%

Odom Opponent FG% by position
SF - 42.9%
PF - 47.1%

Clearly Finley's sample size against PF must have been small. Odom might be your best perimeter defender and he hasn't even re-signed yet.

[poeticism707]

Let's do a comparison shall we?

Parker Opponent FG% by position:
PG - 48.1%

Fisher Opponent FG% by position:
PG - 47.1%
SG - 100% (small sample size but still hahahahahahahahaha)

Fisher has a 1% advantage

Mason Opponent FG% by position:
PG - 46.5%
SG - 50.9%
SF - 45.3%

Kobe Opponent FG% by position:
PG - 44.6%
SG - 50.3%
SF - 57.3%

Kobe has a slight advantage against PGs and SGs and sucks something raw against SFs

Manu Opponent FG% by position:
SG - 50.2%
SF - 51.4%

Vujacic Opponent FG% by position:
PG - 45.9%
SG - 48.5%
SF - 62.5%

Vujacic has the advantage against PGs and SGs but he also blows hard at guarding SFs

Jefferson Opponent FG% by position:
SG - 44.6%
SF - 47.9%
PF - 39.6%

Artest Opponent FG% by position:
SF - 45.9%
PF - 50%

Artest has a 2% advantage against SFs but gives up over 10% against PFs

Hill Opponent FG% by position:
PG - 45%
SG - 51.1%

Farmar Opponent FG% by position:
PG - 45.4%

Pretty even and Farmar can't guard SGs

Finley Opponent FG% by position:
SG - 54.7%
SF - 49.8%
PF - 43.4%

Odom Opponent FG% by position
SF - 42.9%
PF - 47.1%

Clearly Finley's sample size against PF must have been small. Odom might be your best perimeter defender and he hasn't even re-signed yet.

Great leg work!

[Shastafarian]

Great leg work!

Thanks but I let 82games.com do most of the work

[poeticism707]

Thanks but I let 82games.com do most of the work

[LakerHater]

They actually lost!

[LakerHater]

He played 1 game vs Lakers last season (he was injured for the other one I think, the one they actually won )

36 minutes
14 pts
12 rbds (2 offensive)
1 ass
1 st
1 blk
2 to's
4 pf

They actually lost!

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore...gid=2009032608

[21_Blessings]

Clearly Finley's sample size against PF must have been small. Odom might be your best perimeter defender and he hasn't even re-signed yet.

Look how stupid you are.

By the logic you are using Andrew Bynum is a better defender than Tim Duncan.

Jesus, the entire San Antonio is fan base is delusional.

[Shastafarian]

Look how stupid you are.

By the logic you are using Andrew Bynum is a better defender than Tim Duncan.

Jesus, the entire San Antonio is fan base is delusional.

Because I'm using FG% as a comparison? Why did you bold that part of my post? Are you saying Odom isn't a good perimeter defender? you laker fans should really get together and make up your minds about whether Odom can guard anyone on the floor (like so many of you say) or not.

[Shastafarian]

And at least I'm not a loser- bag who feels the need to bad mouth another team on that team's fan forum like some people I know.

[EricB]

Too bad Kobe and Artest will do what they want if we don't bring Bruce back.

Seriously. Move on.

[21_Blessings]

Because I'm using FG% as a comparison?

You called Odom the best perimeter defender on the Lakers. You know nothing about basketball.

OppFG% is a nice and very flawed statistic. If you think you can use it to define defense then you're dumb. Plain and simple.

Heres the facts.

1) Artest guards the premier SFs better than any player in the NBA. Lebron, Pierce, Melo

2) Kobe plays lockdown man defense as good as anyone in the league when he wants to. Mainly he is used as a "roamer" during the course of the game which makes opp FG% virtually useless with him. Especially with Fisher out there.

3) Manu has never been a good defender

4) RJ use to be an ok defenderr but has been absolutely awful the past 2-3 seasons.

5) Parker lol

Spurs have absolutely nobody to guard the elite wing players of this league. You guys are completely ed come playoff time.

[Leetonidas]

Manu and RJ are not excellent defensive players. Take those colored black and silver sucking glasses off.

You sir are a ing bag.

[Shastafarian]

You called Odom the best perimeter defender on the Lakers. You know nothing about basketball.

I said he "might" be. Learn to read.

OppFG% is a nice and very flawed statistic.

lol how is it very flawed?

If you think you can use it to define defense then you're dumb. Plain and simple.

Explain how then master genius.

Heres the facts.

1) Artest guards the premier SFs better than any player in the NBA. Lebron, Pierce, Melo

opinion

2) Kobe plays lockdown man defense as good as anyone in the league when he wants to.

I'm glad you have to say "when he wants to" when describing Kobe's defense. But please, go on.

Mainly he is used as a "roamer" during the course of the game which makes opp FG% virtually useless with him. Especially with Fisher out there.

So he never plays man defense?

3) Manu has never been a good defender

Opinion

4) RJ use to be an ok defenderr but has been absolutely awful the past 2-3 seasons.

Statistics don't agree with your opinion

5) Parker lol

Fisher lol

Spurs have absolutely nobody to guard the elite wing players of this league.

Lakers have absolutely nobody to guard the point guards of the league. Their starting SG plays good defense "when he wants to".

You guys are completely ed come playoff time.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

[ElNono]

3) Manu has never been a good defender

You know nothing about basketball.

[angelbelow]

You called Odom the best perimeter defender on the Lakers. You know nothing about basketball.

OppFG% is a nice and very flawed statistic. If you think you can use it to define defense then you're dumb. Plain and simple.

Heres the facts.

1) Artest guards the premier SFs better than any player in the NBA. Lebron, Pierce, Melo

2) Kobe plays lockdown man defense as good as anyone in the league when he wants to. Mainly he is used as a "roamer" during the course of the game which makes opp FG% virtually useless with him. Especially with Fisher out there.

3) Manu has never been a good defender

4) RJ use to be an ok defenderr but has been absolutely awful the past 2-3 seasons.

5) Parker lol

Spurs have absolutely nobody to guard the elite wing players of this league. You guys are completely ed come playoff time.

im not gonna come at you swing, but i think you should give those guys a little more credit.

manu isnt a great defnder, certainly not as great as kobe in terms of one on one defense. but manu is great at anticipating steals. his man to man main not be the best but he always gives 100%.

rj, i agree his defense sucked the last 2 seasons. but i think some of it may have to do with the fact that hes the goto scorer. since he wont be required to score 20+ a game on our team, hopefully he can focus a little more on the defensive end.

parker, im not sure if youre trying to argue that hes not a good defender, but his defense is pretty. but you would only know that if you watched him play often.

all in all the lakers are still the best and the spurs are 2nd. i think its going to be a fun year for all basketball fans.

[sabar]

You called Odom the best perimeter defender on the Lakers. You know nothing about basketball.

OppFG% is a nice and very flawed statistic. If you think you can use it to define defense then you're dumb. Plain and simple.

Heres the facts.

1) Artest guards the premier SFs better than any player in the NBA. Lebron, Pierce, Melo

2) Kobe plays lockdown man defense as good as anyone in the league when he wants to. Mainly he is used as a "roamer" during the course of the game which makes opp FG% virtually useless with him. Especially with Fisher out there.

3) Manu has never been a good defender

4) RJ use to be an ok defenderr but has been absolutely awful the past 2-3 seasons.

5) Parker lol

Spurs have absolutely nobody to guard the elite wing players of this league. You guys are completely ed come playoff time.

Do you even watch basketball? Manu and Parker are great defenders. They don't give up space, they rotate very well, and Manu always picks off errant passes. Pop pulls players when they miss rotations and suck. You are totally delusional and insecure like the whole laker bandwagon. You would think if the Spurs suck so much that you wouldn't even have to address them. It's like us going to a suns board and making ourselves feel secure. Pathetic.

[DrHouse]

Manu is not a great one on one defender, but he's not a liability eitehr. He's good at anticipating passes and going for steals though. Same goes for Parker, not an outstanding defender but definitely good enough. Neither of these players are a weak point in the Spur's defense. The same applies to RJ.

The problem with the Spurs is that they now have a very mediocre defense. No terrific man defenders like Bowen who can really make Kobe work and not much of a presence in the paint outside of Duncan. They have never been a team that relied on their offense but these last few seasons that's exactly what they have become. And it's the reason why they are no longer an elite team.

[Shastafarian]

Manu is not a great one on one defender, but he's not a liability eitehr. He's good at anticipating passes and going for steals though. Same goes for Parker, not an outstanding defender but definitely good enough. Neither of these players are a weak point in the Spur's defense. The same applies to RJ.

The problem with the Spurs is that they now have a very mediocre defense. No terrific man defenders like Bowen who can really make Kobe work and not much of a presence in the paint outside of Duncan. They have never been a team that relied on their offense but these last few seasons that's exactly what they have become. And it's the reason why they are no longer an elite team.

It's why they drafted George Hill, Jack McClinton, and DeJuan Blair. They're young yeah, but they are all potentially great defenders. Duncan and McDyess aren't too shabby either.

[poeticism707]

It's why they drafted George Hill, Jack McClinton, and DeJuan Blair. They're young yeah, but they are all potentially great defenders. Duncan and McDyess aren't too shabby either.

You mean our resident doctor ignored the facts?!?

[ElNono]

Manu is not a great one on one defender, but he's not a liability eitehr. He's good at anticipating passes and going for steals though. Same goes for Parker, not an outstanding defender but definitely good enough. Neither of these players are a weak point in the Spur's defense. The same applies to RJ.

The problem with the Spurs is that they now have a very mediocre defense. No terrific man defenders like Bowen who can really make Kobe work and not much of a presence in the paint outside of Duncan. They have never been a team that relied on their offense but these last few seasons that's exactly what they have become. And it's the reason why they are no longer an elite team.

I agree with this. Our defense has slipped, but I think it has more to do with fielding players like Finley, Bonner and Mason. I think we've improved at those positions. The biggest problem in the paint has been rebounding, and I think we improved substantially on that department also. With a young guy or two stepping up, I don't see why we can't play the elite defense we're used to.
I'm not really concerned about players like Kobe. He is, after all, better when he passes than when he shoots. I'm more concerned about slowing down the other pieces, and I think we've improved substantially in that department.
Lakers are probably still the better team if they resign Odom. But if we work in developing our defense again and stay healthy, it's anybody's game.

[lefty]

They actually lost!

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore...gid=2009032608

Huh?

No re-read, I said that they won the game he missed

Dice played in the 92-77 loss