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I thought the reason he doesn't get more PT is because they have Howard ahead of him on the depth chart.
I think some fans have been watching the Spurs low ball players for so long that they have forgotten what the market value for a decent big is. I wouldn't have been in love with the Spurs paying the full MLE for him, but I can understand why a team would.
I thought the reason he doesn't get more PT is because they have Howard ahead of him on the depth chart.
Yeah its not like they play small forwards at the PF position because everyone else sucks they do it because of their system Howard in the center and 4 shooters. When Gortat is in they do pretty much the same thing its just the system they have.
If Dallas can get rid of Dampier, I don't see how anyone can say that this is a bad move for them.
There's a team option for 10-11 that the Mavs won't pick up, so in effect he has an expiring. Stack has $9 million due to him for next season but he can be bought out for $2 million. The onus is on Dallas to turn Stack/Damp into something good, provided Cuban is willing to take on contracts that run past 2010.
Ruff- I wasn't comparing Gortat to those players from an ability standpoint..clearly those guys have proven more than he is..my point was that he can end up in either group of players once he achieves his potential, but REGARDLESS, you have to pay a lot for a big man..
Yeah, that Howard guy is pretty good!
I think my argument has been slightly murky because I'm coming at it about 50% as a Spurs fan & 50% as a fan analyzing what Dallas just did.... so I'll say this: getting Gortat is IMO a positive for the Mavs. Another 7 ft shot-blocking rebounder sure isn't going to hurt them. They'll probably lose Hollins now, and I wouldn't even be surprised if the Spurs looked at him if the other top FAs go elsewhere, especially considering how good he looked against them in round one this year. But I do think Gortat is one of those guys that looks very good in the "per48 minute" stats as a bench player, which then leads many to think he will inevitably become a star, given the playing time. If Gortat could have teamed with Howard to form another twin tower duo for 12 minutes a game and subs uted for him another 12, then I think you've got a budding star... but his limitations prevented this from happening. Again, I'll concede that the star of the Mavs is a PF with great range, not a center like Howard who needs to be in the paint. OK, now my argument is getting murkier.... oh, wait.. I've got it: Damn you Mavs and all of your money!! Damn you!
You have to remember that those limitations were also Howard's limitations, and he's managed to sort of schlep by on the numbers he puts up close to the basket. If Gortat can do much more than half of that, then he's a steal.
I think my argument has been slightly murky because I'm coming at it about 50% as a Spurs fan & 50% as a fan analyzing what Dallas just did.... so I'll say this: getting Gortat is IMO a positive for the Mavs. Another 7 ft shot-blocking rebounder sure isn't going to hurt them. They'll probably lose Hollins now, and I wouldn't even be surprised if the Spurs looked at him if the other top FAs go elsewhere, especially considering how good he looked against them in round one this year. But I do think Gortat is one of those guys that looks very good in the "per48 minute" stats as a bench player, which then leads many to think he will inevitably become a star, given the playing time. If Gortat could have teamed with Howard to form another twin tower duo for 12 minutes a game and subs uted for him another 12, then I think you've got a budding star... but his limitations prevented this from happening. Again, I'll concede that the star of the Mavs is a PF with great range, not a center like Howard who needs to be in the paint. OK, now my argument is getting murkier.... oh, wait.. I've got it: Damn you Mavs and all of your money!! Damn you!
Good post. If all an off season allows is small increments of improvement, then you'd do it. Like building a house one brick at a time.
Now the word is Orlando will match for Gortat then trade him. I imagine the following would be attractive to them: Ian/Finley/Bonner/Mason
Ian fits their backup center need at a low price, the others are filler to match salaries and help them fill out their roster cheaply, and of course are expiring deals in one year.
This could be the rumored sign-and-trade. How awesome would it be to pull the rug from under Cuban, then possibly watch him have to pay more for Big Baby than he could have had Bass for?
Ian sucks. trade his ass
I was sort of in favor of trying to get Gortat, but not at that cost.
I'm all for Gortat, but like O_V said, not at that cost..we would be losing 3 shooters..
I'd rather just sign Rasho with the LLE.
Mason + Finley + Bonner + Rasho@LLE > Gortat
Also, Orlando won't be able to trade Gortat until December 15th. You can't sign and trade a restricted free agent who signs an offer sheet.
If Orlando has indeed matched the offer, I'm sure their GM will be looking for the best trade package. I know the Spurs were interested in signing Gortat before, but the question is would they interested now that he's a tradeable commodity?
No one wants your garbage.
You're jumping the gun anyway.
Yeah, about as probable as ya'll trading Dampier for "something good", as stated by one of your brethren over on the general NBA forum. I couldn't help but snicker at that one, at least our contracts are expiring.
Gortat's high price is based on more potential than proven worth. It's anybody's guess what he produces with extensive minutes. He definitely showed flashes against Bynum and Gasol.
You obviously don't know what you're talking about in the way of Dampier's contract. Read up and then come back.Yeah, about as probable as ya'll trading Dampier for "something good", as stated by one of your brethren over on the general NBA forum. I couldn't help but snicker at that one, at least our contracts are expiring.
Gortat's high price is based on more potential than proven worth. It's anybody's guess what he produces with extensive minutes. He definitely showed flashes against Bynum and Gasol.
Why don't you wait for the mavs to actually turn Dampier's contract into something useful and then you come back. Because until then it doesn't look like anyone wants the mavs garbage any more than they want the Spurs garbage.
I mean more in terms of the length of that deal. Fin and Bonner are someone else's problem in nine months. Gortat could become, well, a mini-Dampier for that contract.
We can't trade ALL of our best 3 point shooters for a Center.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sport...,2845810.story
Magic to match offer sheet to retain center Marcin Gortat
Sentinel Staff Writer
3:24 PM EDT, July 13, 2009
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An NBA source has told the Orlando Sentinel that the Orlando Magic will match the five-year, $34-million offer sheet extended by the Dallas Mavericks to Marcin Gortat and thus retain him. The team would not be able to trade him until Dec. 15, at the earliest, if that's what the team wants to do.
more to come
$34M for Gortat is crazy. I'm not sure it was the good choice to match the offer.
It sucks for Dallas. They will have to find a plan B and there isn't a lot left. Gooden? Wilcox?
Lol mavs.
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