Being a Spurs fan and having Lakers fans as friends are mutually exclusive. Please make up your mind. Thank you.
Go look at the games when Bynum dominated, Chandler, Kaman, J. O'neal, Amare, Camby and the list goes on and on, there's actually proof he dominated those games. Stating facts not being a homer, but how do you Spurs fan compare Blair to Barkley? and you guys are calling me a homer? At least the experts had Bynum being an all star last year b4 the injury, but freaking Blair = Barkley? and whose the HOMER?
Slow down there Cochise, no one on this thread or on this forum for that matter has said all undersized PFs are like Barkley. I'd like to know where you read that. What some people have been alluding to including myself is that Blair has "some" of the same qualities that made Barkley the player he was.
Blair too is a freak of stature. Did you watch him while he was Pitt? Did you watch the SL game today? If the answer is no then shame on you you feeble mind piece of foreskin. However if the answer is yes, and you still feel the same way about Blair even after watching him, then you're worse off then I originally thought.
Let me put it to you this way, when Blair goes up against a taller player, he negates the height differential by effectively eating up space, and because he has a tremendously strong lower body with tree trunks for legs he will effectively block out a taller player, you know the whole lower center of gravity thing. Where you sick the day they taught that in school.
Dude you gotta be worried, otherwise why would you be camped out on a Spurs board?
But let's wait and why don't you watch Blair during SL and maybe even a few games into the regular season. I bet your sister your opinion of Blair will change. Somewhere behind that sloping forehead and protruding orbital ridge there is a brain. Here's your chance to use it.
BTW, I've been reading some of your other posts and help me here, I can't decide if you're delusional or just plain stupid, but I don't mean that in a bad way.
Reading I see is not your strong suit.
I swear each time a Laker fan discusses Blair, his height goes down another inch or two. 6'8''> 6'7''> 6'6'' > 6'5'' (check in tomorrow for a height update)
I'm delusional or stupid? And you're indirectly implying that Blair is similar to Barkley just because he played well in a single SL game? Comparing Blair to Barkley is yes plain stupid, because Blair doesn't have Barkley's offensive ability or his athletic ability, who's delusional? At least Bynum put up bigtime numbers against good/ all star nbaers, not freaking SL compe ion. BTW Blair didnt even dominate in that game, even a scrub in the Lakers SL squad names MacCauley or w/e scored more points and had more rebounds than Blair. It's a freaking SL game, it's where players like Morrison looks like the next coming of Bird, with his perfect form on his jumpers and his pin point passing.
I swear each time a Laker fan discusses Blair, his height goes down another inch or two. 6'8''> 6'7''> 6'6'' > 6'5'' (check in tomorrow for a height update)
Actually I Dejuan is 6'7", but he's 6'10" with an afro. He's been known to wear platforms in order to get to 7'1". Wow, maybe he could be our Bynum stopper.
I swear each time a Laker fan discusses Blair, his height goes down another inch or two. 6'8''> 6'7''> 6'6'' > 6'5'' (check in tomorrow for a height update)
Check out the camp measurement, he's 6'5"
Undersized PF impact players:
Paul Millsap - 6'8" - 250 lbs (current) Note*: Paul Millsap averages around the same statistics in ppg and rpg as Bynum
Charles Barkley - 6'5" - 255 lbs
Larry Johnson - 6'6" - 250 lbs
These are all players named off of the top of my head that can/have impacted the game as undersized PF's in the PPG and RPG department.
DeJuan Blair - 6'7" - 265 lbs
Looks awefully familiar especially since in the SL (I am not saying this is equivalent of the NBA) Blair played 22 minutes and had a line of 13pts and 10 rbs. This was against a Hornets summer league team that played 3 legitimate 7 footers throught the course of the game. It would be dumb of me to state that Blair is the second coming of Barkley or Johnson, but if his production is that of Millsap's I am one happy camper.
One more thing, Blair weighs more than alot of bigs in the NBA. Bynum better prepare himself to work to get the inside position. A strong heavy short person with a low center of gravity is hard as to move without lowering the shoulder for a taller person. It's physics.
On another note, Bynum has absolutely no jumpshot. The odds of him hurting himself are greater when all you can do is bang in the paint. Blair at least, has a mid range game.
One more thing ABomb. How much Spurs do you watch? How in the can anyone say that Tony Parker has no jumper?
This is what happens when you play under the screen against TP.
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It doesn't work to compare the per-game statistics of two players, because of the difference in minutes played. But you can compare stats on a per-36 minute basis. Let's compare Bynum's Per-36 stats to those of the 6'8" Paul Millsap. [Note: Millsap is only 6'6.25" without shoes, while Bynum is supposedly 7'1".]
............Points.......RB........BLK.......STL.......AST.......PF
Bynum....14.8........10.3......2.4.......0.4........1.8........4.4
Millsap....14.8........10.2......1.4.......1.4........1.9........4.5
Weird, huh? One is an unstoppable 7-footer, and the other is a tiny guy who has no business in the paint. But their results are almost identical. What's even more strange is that even this past season, the ancient Antonio McDyess pulled down 11.4 rebounds per-36 minutes - exactly the same as the elderly Tim Duncan. Somehow two old fossils both drug down more boards than Bynum.
So if nobody can stop Bynum, it must mean that he's stopping himself. Otherwise he would be putting up better numbers than some short scrub, and a couple of old guys... wouldn't he? Maybe he's just not trying. Or maybe the other players in the league feel sorry for Tim, Antonio, and Paul Millsap, so they don't play them as hard.
Oh, by the way - Bynum has a wingspan of 7'3" and a max vertical leap of 33". Blair has a wingspan of 7'2" and a max vertical leap of 33 inches. But from what I've been told, the only way Bynum can achieve a 33" vert is with a Laker staffer measuring, or off a trampoline. And since a lot of rebounding is about technique - I'll take the guy who knows how, rather than the one who's just learning how to crawl.
The ppg and rpg in my post should be quite accurate considering they both have relatively the same mpg. Maybe 1 minute tolerance.
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LOL... I went and ran Bynum's splits from "last year b4 the injury". Look at where Bynum racked up all his big numbers. East coast teams like Milwaukee and Indiana, and teams like Phoenix and Golden State that don't play defense. And this is what he offers up as "proof" that Bynum dominates evahbody? What an idiot!
Check out his division splits. He averaged 18.6 points against the Pacific Division, 17 points against the Central Division, and 9.3 points against the Southwest Division. Wonder why? And against Detroit (McDyess) he had 12 points and 7 boards. And this was before the injury that set his career back? I know I'm convinced. There's no way we'll be able to contain him.
A-bomb, you picked a good screen name for yourself. Did you even think to look at the numbers before you started spouting? Here they are, just in case:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...an01&year=2008
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...an01&year=2008
Bynum has a nice jumper, but since the Lakers have so many weapons he doesn't have to use it, would rather have odom or Gasol play the highpost.
Rather pack the paint against the Spurs and have Parker and Jeff lay bricks than have Parker penetrate.
Those power forwards you've mentioned are good offensively, but Blair's game don't translate well in the pro's, especially if he's just there to board, he won't block many shots, and taller post players will just pass right over him. There are also countless undersized post players who have failed miserably in the NBA, and very very few actually have made an impact. I really like Blair, wanted the Lakers to draft him with their 1st round pick and even if the Lakers did draft him, I wouldn't have expected too much from him. Would have just wanted him to come in to push people around and change things up a bit, give the Lakers a different look and I still do feel Blair would have fit in better with the Lakers since they do have a taller front line and also wouldn't need much scoring from him. Blair be lucky to even be sitting on the bench up with the big club on both teams, so let's not go overboard with him becoming the next Barkley.
To compare Bynums numbers to Milsap is just laughable. First off Bynum is much younger, he has yet to tap his potential, and Milsap is what he is. It takes Bynum couple months into the season before he goes on his roll and puts up 20pts+ 10rbs+ numbers, and not only does he post those numbers, he also shuts down the opposition. The is about 15 games into this beasting mode he gets a freak injury and we are left to wonder what he could of achieved.Milsap is a nice player, but he 's not a game changer like Bynum. I'm not sure but I think Bosh and/or Amare posted better stats than Duncan, but that doesn't mean they impact the game as much as Duncan. It's comparing apples and oranges comparing those two.
All in all even if Bynum was a Spur instead of a Laker I 'd still claim that Bynum will eventually dominate the league.
No for brains I'm not, I repeat I am not indirectly implying anything. I'm pretty much coming out and point blank saying that Blair reminds me a lot of Barkley. Before I go any further less you get the wrong impression - no where did I say that Blair is the next Barkley. Got it? Good. But I am encouraged, no actually I'm pretty psyched because against a very good and tall Hornet front line he slayed. He was battling a guy 7'2", 2 legit 7 footers and a 6'9" guy and what's really cool is that he alone out-rebounded these 4 guys 10-7.
Now follow along closely, Blair at 6"7" is an undersized PF (like Barkley) who in college and more then likely in the NBA will be making a living wiping that board and snatching rebounds at a very respectable rate (like Barkley).
Blair (like Barkley) because of his build, weight, low center of gravity and what's often over looked is his athletic ability, he will be a rebound machine and he will if not dominate the paint, he will along with Tim and Dice control it.
For a 20 yr old rookie I think he did a fabulous job today, and if you saw the SL game, you saw the same focus, tenacity and pit bull mentality that I saw when he was a soph at Pitt.
For you doubters, it would be prudent if you just let Blair play the remainder SL schedule and maybe a month or so into the start of the regular season before you make an opinion. That way you guys won't come off looking so stupid.
Oh and for you Bynum will destroy Blair and eat his children camp, riddle me this, when was the last time Bynum was healthy enough to play all 82 games?
The answer scrolls across the giant Family Feud board, give me 3 years. Yes Richard the correct answer is 3 yrs. I will admit Bynum has skills, very good skills, but as fragile as he is, and providing he's well enough to play he will not get the better of Blair. Please don't say that Bynum > Duncan. One of the most ignorant things I've read, ever!
Players like Bynum do not grow on trees. There is a reason why the Lakers chose this kid with their top 10 pick when he was extremely raw coming out of high school with only 2 years of real basketball experience. With good health Bynum has proven he can play at a very high level and be a dominant force on the floor.
Kareem would not be wasting his time with the kid if he didn't feel the same way.
All this talk about Blair is eerily similar to Spur fan's delusional rantings about Hill last season. When the playoffs came and the chips were on the line what did Popovich do?
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LOL... I went and ran Bynum's splits from "last year b4 the injury". Look at where Bynum racked up all his big numbers. East coast teams like Milwaukee and Indiana, and teams like Phoenix and Golden State that don't play defense. And this is what he offers up as "proof" that Bynum dominates evahbody? What an idiot!
Check out his division splits. He averaged 18.6 points against the Pacific Division, 17 points against the Central Division, and 9.3 points against the Southwest Division. Wonder why? And against Detroit (McDyess) he had 12 points and 7 boards. And this was before the injury that set his career back? I know I'm convinced. There's no way we'll be able to contain him.
A-bomb, you picked a good screen name for yourself. Did you even think to look at the numbers before you started spouting? Here they are, just in case:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...an01&year=2008
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...an01&year=2008
He dominated, Andrew bogut, J. O'neal, Amare, Chandler, Dalembert and other, those are pretty good defense centers in the league. I 've watched those games 2 years ago and they got man handled by Bynum. Those teams might not play good team defense but those are good defensive post players Bynum dominated, go look at the numbers they put up against Bynum. He didn't even play many minutes in those games cause most of them were blow outs, and McDyess guarded Bynum? rofl. Bynum might not have put up dominant numbers against couple good defensive teams, because if you took the time to think, maybe they doubled him? as in team defense? and yes they were doubling him.
What ever floats your boat, but let's bring this post up in the middle of next season and then you guys could tell me how Bynum's ass tastes.
The operative phrase here Doc is "with good health". All your superlatives and hyperbole aren't going to amount to squat if Andrew "Sam Bowie" Bynum is again on the bench for yet another injury. I bet you know off the top of your head exactly how many games he played in the last two years.
Yep, containing SA's offense this season will be that simple.
Speculation and hearsay.
Yep. He didn't score at all today.
Nope. He's never blocked anyone before.
Just like Thabeet did, right?
Lots of oversized and big ones as well.
You wanted to the Lakers to draft a player who's skills "wouldn't translate to the NBA"? What the are you talking about?
Maine, I seez it now. You's da troof.
You're the one implying it's impossible for Blair to dominate or even contribute because he's undersized.
Mmmm, self-ownage quotes rule.There are also countless undersized post players who have failed miserably in the NBA, and very very few actually have made an impact.
It will take Blair approximately 3 months before he averages 33 points and 42 rebounds per 30 minutes of action. Keep up the idiotic conjecture.
Blair will average 13.5 blocks per game before the playoffs arrive.
No. It's like comparing apples to a ritz cracker to pile of in your driveway that occasionally does push-ups.
All in all, even if you were a Spurs fan, I'd still say that you're absolutely clueless about basketball.
Yes you just implied Blair reminds you of Barkley. And if you are worried about Bynum's fragility, there's 2 reasons why Blair fell so low in the draft and I'm pretty sure you have no idea what they are, since you're a Spurs fan not a bball fan. Bynum's injuries were freak injuries and even w/o a healthy Bynum Lakers won the chip, so just saying watch out when he's fully healthy and rolling.
Speculation and hearsay.
Yep. He didn't score at all today.
Nope. He's never blocked anyone before.
Just like Thabeet did, right?
Lots of oversized and big ones as well.
You wanted to the Lakers to draft a player who's skills "wouldn't translate to the NBA"? What the are you talking about?
Maine, I seez it now. You's da troof.
You're the one implying it's impossible for Blair to dominate or even contribute because he's undersized.
Mmmm, self-ownage quotes rule.
It will take Blair approximately 3 months before he averages 33 points and 42 rebounds per 30 minutes of action. Keep up the idiotic conjecture.
Blair will average 13.5 blocks per game before the playoffs arrive.
No. It's like comparing apples to a ritz cracker to pile of in your driveway that occasionally does push-ups.
All in all, even if you were a Spurs fan, I'd still say that you're absolutely clueless about basketball.
If the rest of you Spurs fan have your bball knowledge than lol. I'm clueless about bball and you're saying Blair will own Bynum? Go on any other boards and write some re ed like that, they'd laugh your asss off. Keep spinning it however you like, but only hope you Spurs fans have is Bynum won't be healthy and Artest implodes on the Lakers, Because even if those 2 things did happen, Spurs will still have problems beating the Lakers in a series.
Hey captain, who you gonna listen to - all the pundits and experts (real and perceived) who all claimed that the Spurs got the steal of the draft and how it's amazing that a lottery pick fell all the way to the 2nd round 37th pick where the Spurs FO cluelessly drafted him. True story the Spurs were actually trying to draft this guy named Juan out of Tiajuana A&M but accidently ended up with Dejuan.
Speculation and hearsay.
Yep. He didn't score at all today.
Nope. He's never blocked anyone before.
Just like Thabeet did, right?
Lots of oversized and big ones as well.
You wanted to the Lakers to draft a player who's skills "wouldn't translate to the NBA"? What the are you talking about?
Maine, I seez it now. You's da troof.
You're the one implying it's impossible for Blair to dominate or even contribute because he's undersized.
Mmmm, self-ownage quotes rule.
It will take Blair approximately 3 months before he averages 33 points and 42 rebounds per 30 minutes of action. Keep up the idiotic conjecture.
Blair will average 13.5 blocks per game before the playoffs arrive.
No. It's like comparing apples to a ritz cracker to pile of in your driveway that occasionally does push-ups.
All in all, even if you were a Spurs fan, I'd still say that you're absolutely clueless about basketball.
Or are you going to listen to A Hole and his vast year and a half resevoir of basketball knowledge. When it comes to BB A Hole is a virtual cornucopia of knowledge and we'd all do well to listen to him.
LMAO. Dumb - they publish game logs, too, and the numbers don't lie. He racked up his numbers against the Clippers, Warriors, Pacers, Wizards, Bobcats, etc. He had big stats in January of '09 too - against the Clippers, Wizards, Bobcats, T-Wolves. He put up 42 pts and 15 boards against the Clippers. But a few nights earlier he had 11-1 against Houston, and 18-3 against the Spurs. How does a big monster like Bynum only get 4 boards in two complete games? And against Detroit last season? 8 points, 9 boards in 35 minutes. Keep an eye on the refs, because somebody's kicking the boy's ass.
And did you really just call Jermaine O'neal, Amare Stoudamire, Andrew Bogut, and Samuel Dalembert some of the best defensive centers in the league? OMG. ASSHOLE ALERT PART II - We have a soccer fan in our midst. Because you obviously don't know about the NBA.
If I were you, I'd be too ing embarassed to even come back around here. At least have enough pride to make a new screen name or something. Because this one is ruined. And next time, check the numbers first.
And now that you're exposed, you don't want to talk about last year anymore? Let's roll forward to the middle of next season? Heh... if you weren't such a ing troll, I'd feel sorry for you.
Oh, and here's the '09 splits and game logs. You can see for yourself. He doesn't exactly dominate the Southwest division.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...an01&year=2009
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...an01&year=2009
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At least I don't claim "Blair reminds me of Barkley".
Let me guess is Morrison was on the Spurs you'd say he reminds you of Bird yes? And go ahead only way for you to back your up is to call me names and call for backup. You ing spurs fan are worse than lakers fan, know jack about bball, just all ing HOMERs. You no worse than Kobe Jockers, face facts without a healthy Ginobili Spurs are going nowhere. Bring this post back up when all you spurs homers want to ship jefferson out and when Blair is riding the pine.
This coming from a guy who came here and said that Duncan is a choker, and that all parker does is shoot bricks all day.
LMAO. Dumb - they publish game logs, too, and the numbers don't lie. He racked up his numbers against the Clippers, Warriors, Pacers, Wizards, Bobcats, etc. He had big stats in January of '09 too - against the Clippers, Wizards, Bobcats, T-Wolves. He put up 42 pts and 15 boards against the Clippers. But a few nights earlier he had 11-1 against Houston, and 18-3 against the Spurs. How does a big monster like Bynum only get 4 boards in two complete games?
And did you really just call Jermaine O'neal, Amare Stoudamire, Andrew Bogut, and Samuel Dalembert some of the best defensive centers in the league? OMG. ASSHOLE ALERT PART II - We have a soccer fan in our midst. Because you obviously don't know about the NBA.
If I were you, I'd be too ing embarassed to even come back around here. At least have enough pride to make a new screen name or something. Because this one is ruined. And next time, check the numbers first.
And now that you're exposed, you don't want to talk about last year anymore? Let's roll forward to the middle of next season? Heh... if you weren't such a ing troll, I'd feel sorry for you.
Oh, and here's the '09 splits and game logs. You can see for yourself. He doesn't exactly dominate the Southwest division.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...an01&year=2009
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...an01&year=2009
42 points agains Kaman and that's bad? didnt you spurs fans want Kaman ? those teams you mentioned are half the league, he put up good numbers against good post defenders. against the spurs it was a blow out Bynum owned so rofl. Check what Duncan or those are centers did against Bynum, they got owned.
WTF are you talking about, he put up those numbers in limited minutes. It seems like your making a case for how dominant Bynum was b4 his freak injuries.
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