Mavs Not Getting Gortat

[45 bank shot]

so eight pages later and still no official report or link validating any of this. nice.

ye, what's the point of arguing?

[Shank]

What I think you need to understand is that if they do indeed match Gortat is most likely NOT to keep him, but to deal him in a trade that gives Orlando something in exchange for his contract.

Possibly, but there are so many things that can go wrong in that scenario. You have BYC, the 90-day waiting period, finding a suitor, worrying about keeping Gortat healthy, not pissing him off by taking away his opportunity to be a starter on another team, your own tax implications, filling out your own roster, etc. It's too much of a gamble on Orlando's end.

[Shank]

Big man are a coveted commodity. Look at the contract Varejao got for reference. Like I said, the only reason I see them matching is if they already have a trade in place with some other team.
As far as getting contracts in return, it's not really a problem. They can simply rent a couple players until midseason and dump them then. The luxury tax is not calculated until the end of the season.

They'd have to take back salary-for-salary for him, so the tax would still hit Orlando in either case.

[sribb43]

If no Gortat..bring back Hollins

[Findog]

First of all, they are totally separate transactions. Expecting them to be your buddy because you gave them a trade exception is re ed. That would be like a Magic fan whining that the Mavs didn't sign Gortat to a smaller offer sheet after they helped Dallas acquire Matrix.

Speaking of re ed, the dumbest ing thing a team could do is match quickly. You wait til one tic before midnight to match a RFA, the other GMs remember that and think twice before going after your RFAs, and most won't even have the balls to try it. Everyone knew the Magic were going to do this, which is why going after Gortat was a risk. The Mavs threw way too much money at him because ending up with nothing at the end of the signing period would be worse than having another overpaid center.

I don't think it's re ed at all. If Orlando matches, then Donnie and Mark have to seriously reassess how they do business. And Orlando didn't help us land Marion at all, since the deal would've worked w/o their participation.

[mavsfan1000]

to me that report is bogus but I dont see Orlando matching for a few reasons.

IMO Bass wouldnt have signed with Magic if he knew that they were going to resign Gorat bc his minutes would be severely limited Im sure he was going to get backup minutes at PF and C. As it already stands there isnt many minutes behind Lewis and Howard. I'd expect about 25 max min a night for Bass but with Gortat in the mix that number could drop to 15 min. I'm sure Bass had a talk with ORL about them resigning Gortat and if they were, i dont think he would have gone to ORL bc one of his biggest grips in dallas was minutes

He is probably starting as Orlando isn't deep enough to play most of the game with Lewis at PF. So Gortat and Howard will probably be in at the same time during some parts of the games. Also Orlando could get a better fit by trading with Houston to get Battier or some other player that suits their team better than Gortat. Orlando will wait it out and pick Gortat at the last second like they should.

[jacobdrj]

Let the Mavs get Drew Gooden. He is solid.

[sribb43]

Let the Mavs get Drew Gooden. He is solid.

[Shank]

He is probably starting as Orlando isn't deep enough to play most of the game with Lewis at PF. So Gortat and Howard will probably be in at the same time during some parts of the games. Also Orlando could get a better fit by trading with Houston to get Battier or some other player that suits their team better than Gortat. Orlando will wait it out and pick Gortat at the last second like they should.

Why would the Rockets give up Battier?

[mavsfan1000]

Why would the Rockets give up Battier?

To get Gortat since Yao went down. Also that would get them younger and on track for rebuilding.

[Shank]

To get Gortat since Yao went down. Also that would get them younger and on track for rebuilding.

If you're giving up Battier, why only aim for Gortat? Why not someone better? I'm sure the Bobcats would love to have Battier/others if Okafor could be moved.

[mavsfan1000]

If you're giving up Battier, why only aim for Gortat? Why not someone better? I'm sure the Bobcats would love to have Battier/others if Okafor could be moved.

The point is at least Orlando gets something back they can use. Maybe there are better options out there but they need another SG/SF to cause the mismatches like they did last year. Turkoglu, Alston, and Lee all left. That hurts.

[ElNono]

They'd have to take back salary-for-salary for him, so the tax would still hit Orlando in either case.

What part of 'The luxury tax is calculated at the end of the season' you don't understand?
I'll give you a plausible scenario: Right now, they would get nothing for Gortat. They could trade him for a first round pick, cash, and a bunch of non-guaranteed scrub contracts to make salaries match. They simply drop those players when their contracts are up, and they end up with a first round pick + cash and no luxury tax implications.

See what I mean now?

[ElNono]

I don't think it's re ed at all. If Orlando matches, then Donnie and Mark have to seriously reassess how they do business. And Orlando didn't help us land Marion at all, since the deal would've worked w/o their participation.

That's great, but Orlando did a favor to Toronto (and it's arguable wether it was a favor), not the Mavericks.

[ElNono]

Possibly, but there are so many things that can go wrong in that scenario. You have BYC, the 90-day waiting period, finding a suitor, worrying about keeping Gortat healthy, not pissing him off by taking away his opportunity to be a starter on another team, your own tax implications, filling out your own roster, etc. It's too much of a gamble on Orlando's end.

He has no say on team deals. If they got a trade in the works, what he thinks is irrelevant.

[Shank]

What part of 'The luxury tax is calculated at the end of the season' you don't understand?
I'll give you a plausible scenario: Right now, they would get nothing for Gortat. They could trade him for a first round pick, cash, and a bunch of non-guaranteed scrub contracts to make salaries match. They simply drop those players when their contracts are up, and they end up with a first round pick + cash and no luxury tax implications.

See what I mean now?

And what part of matching salary-for-salary don't you understand? That team would still have to give up $5+ in salaries. Not in cash, not in draft picks - in equal salaries. You know how many scrubs it's going to take to reach 5 million?

And why would they trade him away for absolutely nothing in return? They're better off in just not signing him in the first place. In your scenario, they get nothing. In not signing him, they don't waste their time with filling out a roster with a guy they know isn't going to be there AND they can devote their efforts into bringing in players they're not going to have to haggle with while the season is unfolding.

Besides, Gortat will have to approve of the team to which he's being traded. He's already said he doesn't want to go to Houston to take over for Yao. His heart is set on Dallas. If the Magic try to flip him to OKC, he can simply refuse until these rights are up a year after the signing and the Magic are left with an unhappy player and are still on the hook for his salary.

[Shank]

He has no say on team deals. If they got a trade in the works, what he thinks is irrelevant.

For 1 year, he does. The only team to which he certainly couldn't be traded is Dallas. All the others, he has a right to refuse.

[Leetonidas]

Orlando is matching Gortat.

http://orlandomagiczone.com/eve/foru...71/m/681101463

[mavsfan1000]

And what part of matching salary-for-salary don't you understand? That team would still have to give up $5+ in salaries. Not in cash, not in draft picks - in equal salaries. You know how many scrubs it's going to take to reach 5 million?

And why would they trade him away for absolutely nothing in return? They're better off in just not signing him in the first place. In your scenario, they get nothing. In not signing him, they don't waste their time with filling out a roster with a guy they know isn't going to be there AND they can devote their efforts into bringing in players they're not going to have to haggle with while the season is unfolding.

Besides, Gortat will have to approve of the team to which he's being traded. He's already said he doesn't want to go to Houston to take over for Yao. His heart is set on Dallas. If the Magic try to flip him to OKC, he can simply refuse until these rights are up a year after the signing and the Magic are left with an unhappy player and are still on the hook for his salary.

Maybe they are more interested in winning a championship than saving money. Thus using Gortat for trading material is a wise decision imo. A lot of teams need centers. Who knows what they can get for a young upcoming center.

[Leetonidas]

Though I know that's not official, I will go with what the local media in Orlando is saying over what desperate Mav fans trying to rationalize everything.

[Shank]

Orlando is matching Gortat.

http://orlandomagiczone.com/eve/foru...71/m/681101463

This was discussed 3 pages back, around midnight last night. Thanks for keeping up.

If they're matching him, they why hasn't a single word come out on it?

Do you believe everything people post on Internet messageboards?

[Findog]

Orlando is matching Gortat.

http://orlandomagiczone.com/eve/foru...71/m/681101463

10 hours ago forum

[Shank]

Though I know that's not official, I will go with what the local media in Orlando is saying over what desperate Mav fans trying to rationalize everything.

Please, enlighten us. What is the local media saying in Orlando?

[SpursFan0728]

Orlando is matching Gortat.

http://orlandomagiczone.com/eve/foru...71/m/681101463

LOL CUBAN

[sribb43]

Please, enlighten us. What is the local media saying in Orlando?

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