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o lakers all star bench for next season without odom
this would put the lakers the 3rd team in the west IMO
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/features/rumors
NEGOTIATIONS: Lakers, Odom not on same page
Lamar Odom | Lakers | Interested: Mavericks? Lakers?
Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak talked with Lamar Odom and his agent, Jeff Schwartz on Monday, but no progress was made in their negotiations.
"I'm not sure we're on the same page," Kupchak told the Los Angeles Daily News. "It's just a feeling you get. You have conversations with the player's representative and, right now, I'm not sure we're on the same page. I understand it's a process. I am surprised it's taken us so long to get to this point."
The wait is also frustrating owner Jerry Buss, who upped his offer to $8M per season according to the Los Angeles Times. Buss is considering pull that deal off the table soon.
Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban told NBA TV that he has contacted Odom's agent, however it's unlikely Odom would sign with Dallas as they can only offer $5.8M for a first-year salary.
Uh-Oh.
o lakers all star bench for next season without odom
this would put the lakers the 3rd team in the west IMO
Should be a fun few days/weeks ahead.
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_r...om?eref=fromSIMavericks owner Mark Cuban, in an interview on NBA TV, said that Dallas has been in contact with the agent for Lakers free agent forward Lamar Odom, whose negotiations with Los Angeles are going slowly. But Odom is not likely to sign anywhere for the mid-level that the Mavericks now, again, have at their disposal; he's accepted that he'll face a pay cut from last year's $14 million, but doesn't want to go down that much.
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I think it would put the Lakers lower...if Odom goes..the Lakers would depend on Josh ing Powell...
Cuban trying to get Odom for the MLE
Spurfans are so happy, lol.
If I was Lamar and I was looking at the Lakers payroll and saw Andrew Bynum making 12.5 million dollars next year I'd be a little pissed at a 8 million dollar offer too. Lamar means a lot more to the Lakers then Bynum.
Odom/Dirk/Marion/Kidd/Terry/Howard 2010!!
Even if it comes to that we'll have a fine opportunity for superior talent at the trade deadline if no one surfaces from our bench twixt now & then.
I don't see how one year means this much to him? This Lakers core with him has potential to be a freakin' dynasty and he's not re-signing over one year?
Like my man Teddy KGB says
Pay him... pay that man his money
Maybe Odum has alligator blood, Ghazi.
yah but powell aint that bad that outside jumper kiled the spurs last season but odom is defintley better
wow complete opposite of what laker fans wanted this season a huge risk all star in artest losing a guy that fit perfectly in the system in ariza and losing odom the guy who gves alot of team fits
He's just trying to feed his family.
Odom's like Nuke LaLoosh from Bull Durham... has a million dollar body and a ten cent head.
But, the family ain't as big as when he signed his last contract, so, he should take less?
Dammit Blazers, why'd you have to go after Millsap instead....
Though I sorta have a feeling he wouldn't want to play in Portland anyways
If Utah matches and Odom still isn't signed there could be an opportunity...
If Utah matches, then Blazers sign Odom to a long term deal: they could be assuring themselves a top4 seed for years while dealing a deadly blow to a conference rival.
Just make sure they know to have a retractable handle installed in the ball for Odum's use. They'll need it.
You honestly think we care? I don't.
Otherwise you'll be making excuses that had the Lakers had Odom, they would have won.. Whatever team it is that takes them out.
while killing themselves cap wise making it impossible to improve their team and extending certain guys to longer contracts.
(Didn't see this posted)
The State of Lamar Odom
July 14, 2009 10:58 AM
After winning the le and heading into the off-season on a high, the Lakers had some free agents to worry about, most notably Trevor Ariza and Lamar Odom.
The negotiations with Ariza stalled a bit and boom ... the Lakers went in another direction, bringing in Ron Artest instead.
Odom -- a favorite Laker, with abundant skill and size -- has now reached the point where his own contract negotiations have reached a sticking point.
A bit of a nervous time for Laker fans and Odom alike.
The L.A. Times' Broderick Turner reports:
Lakers owner Jerry Buss, who improved on his offer of $8 million a season to Odom, is getting frustrated and is thinking about pulling the deal off the table soon.
Lakers General Manager Mitch Kupchak talked at halftime of a game between the Lakers and Clippers on Monday in Las Vegas at the summer league, saying that the talks with Odom left him "not as hopeful as I was on Friday."
When asked why, Kupchak said, "Just a feeling you get."
"Right now, I'm not sure we're on the same page."
Kupchak added that it might be nearing time to give up on the talks, and Odom was coy about whether or not he had an offer from the Miami Heat. (Odom played well for the Heat in the 2003-2004 season, before being shipped to Los Angeles as part of the Shaquille O'Neal trade.)
Lamar Odom has been keeping nice company as a Laker. But with contract talks stalled, his return to the champions is uncertain.
(Andrew D. Bernstein/NBAE/Getty Images)
Andrew Kamenetzky of the L.A. Times caught up with Odom, who tried to be somewhat sunny in the videotaped interview, but came off decidedly neutral when asked about the state of negotiations. "It is what it is," he said.
Odom also pointed out that even if you have a great relationship, things can get uncomfortable with anyone when the topic is money. "You can have a brother, a sister, a father, but when you start talking about money, it gets a little ... ehhhh ..."
Odom acknowledges he's in the middle of a balancing act. There's an argument for trying to get the most money possible. "You take a business man, anyone with a business mind, and they want the most money possible," he says. He points out that he's 29, and needs to secure his "legacy as a basketball player, and a business man."
But at the same time, Odom is clear that having a great chance to win a le means a lot, and he articulates a sophisticated bargaining position: "We try to do what's best for both sides, like what's fair. It doesn't happen overnight."
A Fair Price for Lamar Odom
It's very hard to say what any player is worth in this economy. So far there has been no suggestion that the teams with cap space -- Oklahoma City and Portland -- are in pursuit, so on the open market his suitors are the Lakers, who have Odom's "Bird rights" and can pay him any price, or some team's mid-level exception, which starts at a little under $6 million a year.
Reportedly Odom is hoping to get $10 million a season.
There are two players who are worth comparing Odom to.
The first, and most obvious, is Odom himself. Over the last five years he has earned something in the neighborhood of $55 million. Although he's seen as an inconsistent producer from game to game, Odom has been remarkably consistent from season to season. Over the last half-decade:
Odom's PER has moved in a small window from 16.1 to 17.3. Last season it was 16.6.
His true shooting percentage has been between 52 and 58% each of those years.
His total rebounding percentage started the period at 15.9, and after a couple of off-years has been at 15.6 and 15.5 over the last two seasons.
In the 2009 playoffs, Odom was even better. According to Basketball-Reference, he had a PER of 18, a true shooting percentage of 59%, and a total rebounding percentage 16.7%.
Another comparision for Odom, from this summer's free agent market, is Hedo Turkoglu, who was also asking for $10 million a season, and reportedly received slightly more. They're very different small forwards -- Odom moonlights as a power forward, while Turkoglu plays stretches as a point guard -- but similar in that they're borderline stars for a Finals team.
By every measure, except those concerning passing, Odom's numbers look good compared to Turkoglu's. In this year's post-season, for instance, Turkoglu had a PER of 13.2 compared to Odom's 18, a true shooting percentage of 55% compared to Odom's 59%, and a total rebounding percentage of 7.3 which is less than half of Odom's 16.7.
That said, Turkoglu has value in creating shots for teammates. He assists on an estimated 21.6% of his teammates' shots when he's on the floor, compared with Odom's 9.1 rate.
What does it all mean?
The Lakers can make the case that at 29, in a bad economy and alongside Ron Artest, Odom is set to produce less on the basketball court, while the team has less ability to make money off of his efforts. They can also point out that their payroll is massive and in need of restraint. They have surely made the case that barring a big offer from Portland or Oklahoma City, or a sign-and-trade at the Lakers' behest, no one can pay Odom close to what the Lakers are offering.
The Odom camp can argue that $10 million is already a pay cut, the Lakers make more money than most teams, and how much can you ask a player to take a hit when he just won a le playing the best playoff basketball of his career?
So ... what's fair in a case like this? Both sides are right, so it's no wonder both sides sound frustrated. In a good economy, Odom is certainly the kind of player who would get a big contract. If Odom takes significantly less than $10 million from the Lakers, or plays somewhere for the mid-level, I'd take that as a sign that the economy is a factor in 2009 free agency.
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/...amar-Odom.html
Well, the last time we had Odum we did win.
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