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    As far as the Spurs go, I don't think it's neccessarily about the money. It's about the LLE. If they use some of that LLE money on Blair, which they'd have to in order to give Blair more than league min, then the remainder of their LLE basically just becomes another league min contract. So for all practical purposes the Spurs are facing a decision on whether they want to use their LLE on Blair or someone else. If the Spurs could offer Blair something in the 2yrs / $1.6 mil range and still have their LLE they'd do it in a heartbeat, IMO.

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    If Brian Scalabrine can make 3 Mil we can piece together at least, the very least, a Million for Blair.

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    I see Blair and his agent's point, but don't like the tactics. He's still a rookie and needs to be in there getting work and quite, frankly, to prove himself. Playing up that his "knees may go" is a double-edged sword because it would (and should) give the Spurs hesitance for longer contracts. We don't need if he can last 1 82 game season, much less 2 to 3....

    But, the message it sends if he sits, is he's putting himself ahead of team. Yeah, there are reasons for it, but the Spurs are too good of an organization for these tactics. Keep playing while your agent negotiates, DeJuan. You do your job, he does his.

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    As far as the Spurs go, I don't think it's neccessarily about the money. It's about the LLE. If they use some of that LLE money on Blair, which they'd have to in order to give Blair more than league min, then the remainder of their LLE basically just becomes another league min contract. So for all practical purposes the Spurs are facing a decision on whether they want to use their LLE on Blair or someone else.
    If the Spurs use the LLE this season they can't use on the next one, right?

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    As far as the Spurs go, I don't think it's neccessarily about the money. It's about the LLE. If they use some of that LLE money on Blair, which they'd have to in order to give Blair more than league min, then the remainder of their LLE basically just becomes another league min contract. So for all practical purposes the Spurs are facing a decision on whether they want to use their LLE on Blair or someone else. If the Spurs could offer Blair something in the 2yrs / $1.6 mil range and still have their LLE they'd do it in a heartbeat, IMO.

    It's between Blair who has potential to get 7 + Boards a night or some veteran who will ride the bench.

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    1 freaking summer league game. Dude has not proven .

    Already posters here are balloting him in the hall of fame.

    Dude has to play the whole summer league and pre-season to prove anything

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    If the Spurs use the LLE this season they can't use on the next one, right?
    Correct. They couldn't give out another LLE contract until 2011.

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    I see Blair and his agent's point, but don't like the tactics. He's still a rookie and needs to be in there getting work and quite, frankly, to prove himself. Playing up that his "knees may go" is a double-edged sword because it would (and should) give the Spurs hesitance for longer contracts. We don't need if he can last 1 82 game season, much less 2 to 3....

    But, the message it sends if he sits, is he's putting himself ahead of team. Yeah, there are reasons for it, but the Spurs are too good of an organization for these tactics. Keep playing while your agent negotiates, DeJuan. You do your job, he does his.
    How is he putting himself before team? I give them points for caution and wisdom. This young man knows this could possibly be the only contract he ever gets to sign.

    If, indeed, he is actually sitting out tonight.

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    Thinking about it a little bit, this would be the perfect time for the agent to tell Blair to stop playing. The Spurs got a taste of how good Blair is, Blair is still healthy and training camp is a long ways away so there's time to negotiate. His knees are admittedly a concern so getting that guaranteed money is more important than most draft picks. The agent wouldn't be doing his job if he wasn't trying to protect Blair.

    Blair has answered his questions already.
    Well.....yes and no. He did a great job of rebounding in 1 SL game. I'd like to see him out there for at least 1 more. I thought that his height was a bigger issue than anything. He forced a few shots amongst the trees.

    Will the weight that he lost cause him issues with getting the spacing he is used to ?

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    It's between Blair who has potential to get 7 + Boards a night or some veteran who will ride the bench.
    I can understand the Spurs wanting to do due diligence and just see who they could possibly get for the LLE. But in the end I think we'll end up seeing the Spurs use a chunk of the LLE on Blair for a contract in the 2yr/$1.6 mil range and then shop for vets who will take league min.

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    Will the weight that he lost cause him issues with getting the spacing he is used to ?
    no

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    I see Blair and his agent's point, but don't like the tactics. He's still a rookie and needs to be in there getting work and quite, frankly, to prove himself. Playing up that his "knees may go" is a double-edged sword because it would (and should) give the Spurs hesitance for longer contracts. We don't need if he can last 1 82 game season, much less 2 to 3....

    But, the message it sends if he sits, is he's putting himself ahead of team. Yeah, there are reasons for it, but the Spurs are too good of an organization for these tactics. Keep playing while your agent negotiates, DeJuan. You do your job, he does his.
    Well let's be fair though. The Spurs haven't hesitated to use strong arm tactics either. Just last year in the negotiations with George Hill they gave him a contract offer that only paid him 80% of rookie scale in his 3rd year and said take it or leave it. Every other 1st round pick got the 120% that the CBA allows. They did the same thing to Mahinmi too.

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    If he is out of the league in 5 years that would be really depressing, it would suck to lose Duncan and Ginobli and have to rebuild without Blair
    I know it would be terrible and depressing.

    But the medical facts are playing against him. Despite him having done so well up to now, time is against him. If anything else were to happen to either of his knees, his prognosis for complete recovery would not be good. Why do you think he wasn't drafted in the first round? Plenty of M.D.'s understand this and conveyed their opinions to the GM's and owners, IMO.

    I am thrilled to have him, and will pray and hope he remains as health and strong as a bull. I'm just going to enjoy what we have now and hope he can play for a long time.

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    2/1.6 sounds good to me.

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    Man, you know the Spurs have got it bad when they can't even get their second round, barely in the league and was about to not even get drafted, players to play in SL.

    Instead, they demand the MLE, and take summer off, on their agent's advice.

    If anyone had a RIGHT to do this, it was DUNCAN after his rookie season, but did he?!?!?

    Nope: he came to play, and was the biggest BARGAIN in the league.

    To he whom much is given, much is expected: Blair was given much in athletic gifts, but he's not showing anything in the class department.

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    In Fact if you are young you must to choice between a better First Contract or a Better Second

    Probably in Europe he can won more money with the First, but NBA he can made a Big Second Contract

    A couples of million isnīt a Big Money in Europe, but Europe never can pay 10 millions or more for season like a player who play some season in the NBA

    Manu had one small first contract of 2 millions a year, and paying 2 millions buyout.
    He lost money in that 2 first years, but the second contract was 10 millions a year.

    If he remain in Europe he never can signed a 50 millions second contract

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    Man, you know the Spurs have got it bad when they can't even get their second round, barely in the league and was about to not even get drafted, players to play in SL.

    Instead, they demand they demand the MLE, and take summer off, on their agent's advice.

    If anyone had a RIGHT to do this, it was DUNCAN after his rookie season, but did he?!?!?

    Nope: he came to play, and was the biggest BARGAIN in the league.

    To he whom much is given, much is expected: Blair was given much in athletic gifts, but he's not showing anything in the class department.

    It's his agent, Blair wants to play tomorrow.

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    It's his agent, Blair wants to play tomorrow.
    The proof is in the pudding: we'll see.

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    If I had to guess I would say the problem isn't the money like the LLE, it's the number of years.

    My memory is that LLEs are limited to 2 years.

    Spurs could lose him to an offer sheet after only two seasons. That's not what they want. Why get Milsapped?

    If they had MLE left I'm sure they wouldn't scoff too much at greater than minimum salary guaranteed for 3 years, but they don't.

    Maybe they'll just guarantee all 3 years at the minimum with the raises.

    The key is the length, not the total.

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    Man, you know the Spurs have got it bad when they can't even get their second round, barely in the league and was about to not even get drafted, players to play in SL.

    Instead, they demand the MLE, and take summer off, on their agent's advice.

    If anyone had a RIGHT to do this, it was DUNCAN after his rookie season, but did he?!?!?

    Nope: he came to play, and was the biggest BARGAIN in the league.

    To he whom much is given, much is expected: Blair was given much in athletic gifts, but he's not showing anything in the class department.
    Really, stop trolling.

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    1 freaking summer league game. Dude has not proven .

    Already posters here are balloting him in the hall of fame.

    Dude has to play the whole summer league and pre-season to prove anything

    Hater, he's a winner and a beast on the glass. He will make it, and he will be effective. I mean look at him play. He has a natural feel for the ball and those suction cup hands of his are phenomenal.

    No, he is no hall of famer, but he is clearly one of the best in the SL. Yes, it's only been one game, but the guy has it. He's confident and makes things happen when he's out there.

    He should have been and would have been a 1st round draft pick had it not been for the requested MRI in the Chicago pre-draft camp which revealed his lack of ACL's. That is when teams backed off from picking him.

    Anyways, I know it's early, but I could understand why his agent would want to mak a deal now. It's still a business.

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    I gotta take Blair's side on this. The guy is unquestionably a first-round talent. Everybody's trying to make a guess on his knees, but nobody has any facts on which to make that guess. And, truthfully, the Spurs can't afford to lose him to Europe.

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    So does all this BS go away if he plays tonight?
    probably not. not if a mere crappy ass rumor from hoopsworld can generate this many responses.

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    If I had to guess I would say the problem isn't the money like the LLE, it's the number of years.

    My memory is that LLEs are limited to 2 years.

    Spurs could lose him to an offer sheet after only two seasons. That's not what they want. Why get Milsapped?

    If they had MLE left I'm sure they wouldn't scoff too much at greater than minimum salary guaranteed for 3 years, but they don't.

    Maybe they'll just guarantee all 3 years at the minimum with the raises.

    The key is the length, not the total.
    The Spurs would love it if Blair would take 3 years at league minimum. But I don't think Blair likes that idea. If I'm Blair I want 2 years for as much money as I can get and then I get to sign my second contract a year earlier.

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