My World Series of Poker eperiemce:

[brettn]

on what? Up against ak? You're willing to get all your chips in on the hope one of the other 9 guys don't catch an ace?

If its cheap, yes, you ride it. Otherwise, live to fight another day.

heeeeehawwwwww

[Jimcs50]

OMG pocket kings... You ride that cowboy... YOU RIDE THAT HAND!

Had he reraised me all in preflop, then I would have gone all in. There are many hands that he would do this with. AA, AK, KK QQ, even JJ, and the only one that has me beat is AA, and I am not folding preflop with KK.

But the way he played hand it smelled like he slow played aces. Yes, if he did slow play aces, he would have checked to me on flop, because I was showing strength preflop and 90% of players follow up with bet on flop when they have position and opponent checks in front of them.

Only 2% of donkeys would have played JJ that way.


Had this ben a young internet type player making this play, I would have called, but the fact that he looked like a tricky, been around the block player, it made me to decide that I was beat.

[Jimcs50]

Got to call that, but sounds like you're playing good poker overall. What is the atmosphere at WSOP like?

Atmosphere was fantastic. 5000 poker players mixed in with every pro you can think of all in one casino. Half naked hotties in bikinis passing out coupons for the topless Saphire Pool at hotel just adds to the circus like atmosphere too.

[samikeyp]

Win or lose...Jimmy Franchise is still the man.

[Jimcs50]

Win or lose...Jimmy Franchise is still the man.

Hey Mikey, how have you been doing? Hot enough for you?

[Heath Ledger]

just pretend a jack was going to hit on the turn, or river.

+1

[SequSpur]

Dude, you got owned. You should've went all in from the beginning after the first bet. You would've taken a small load, but you would've survived another day.

kk.... with that flop, should've been an instant all in. He was chasing the whole time.

Slow pay kings? uh no... too many hands can take that down.. if you have a pair and get trips on the flop then maybe...

I never understood this 90% rule that players do this and do that preflop, in position, etc.

I had kings last week in a tourney and I was probably in the middle of the pack. I called the 2400 blind, raised 15k before the flop, out of position. One person called, he had me 2 to 1 in chips, so I went all in...

I had kings, he had queens... I won, became chip leader and won the whole thing minutes later....

Kings, minutes into the tourney, you have to take em down...

keep reading them books...lol

We need to play some golf Jimbo.

[Heath Ledger]

I see no problem with your fold. This early in the tourney I would have more than likely folded unless this guy had shown he was a loose semi-loose player. It sucks to have to lay down Kings, down the stretch you probably wouldnt because thats when people are making a lot more moves. I cant believe this guy shoved though, you re-raised him preflop and there was an over pair on the board to his jacks. This guys reeks of donkeyfish unless he was really trying to sell you on the fact that he had pocket aces or pocket queens. If he did have aces preflop he would probably have smooth called your re-raise so he played it like many would have played aces aside from the min raise, that is usually tipping off a monster from under the gun, with jacks under the gun i would just throw in the standard raise and call your reraise and see the flop.

[Heath Ledger]

Dude, you got owned. You should've went all in from the beginning after the first bet. You would've taken a small load, but you would've survived another day.

kk.... with that flop, should've been an instant all in. He was chasing the whole time.

Slow pay kings? uh no... too many hands can take that down.. if you have a pair and get trips on the flop then maybe...

I never understood this 90% rule that players do this and do that preflop, in position, etc.

I had kings last week in a tourney and I was probably in the middle of the pack. I called the 2400 blind, raised 15k before the flop, out of position. One person called, he had me 2 to 1 in chips, so I went all in...

I had kings, he had queens... I won, became chip leader and won the whole thing minutes later....

Kings, minutes into the tourney, you have to take em down...

keep reading them books...lol

We need to play some golf Jimbo.

All in preflop with kings after a min raise from under the gun, is horrible advice. That is a surefire way to overplay your hand, with no reads on the player or history at the table, there is no reason to not err on the side of caution this early in the tourney. You will get outplayed every once in a while but you are not going to bust out and can live to see another day. Im an agressive player but all in preflop after an under the gun raise is a recipe for disaster.

[MannyIsGod]

In tournament play, you slow-play kings. Unless you want to go home early.

[Heath Ledger]

Oxy-Moron

[MannyIsGod]

I see no problem with your fold. This early in the tourney I would have more than likely folded unless this guy had shown he was a loose semi-loose player. It sucks to have to lay down Kings, down the stretch you probably wouldnt because thats when people are making a lot more moves. I cant believe this guy shoved though, you re-raised him preflop and there was an over pair on the board to his jacks. This guys reeks of donkeyfish unless he was really trying to sell you on the fact that he had pocket aces or pocket queens. If he did have aces preflop he would probably have smooth called your re-raise so he played it like many would have played aces aside from the min raise, that is usually tipping off a monster from under the gun, with jacks under the gun i would just throw in the standard raise and call your reraise and see the flop.

I see a big problem with the fold early in a tourney after committing that much of your stack. Big problem.

[MannyIsGod]

Dude, you got owned. You should've went all in from the beginning after the first bet. You would've taken a small load, but you would've survived another day.

kk.... with that flop, should've been an instant all in. He was chasing the whole time.

Slow pay kings? uh no... too many hands can take that down.. if you have a pair and get trips on the flop then maybe...

I never understood this 90% rule that players do this and do that preflop, in position, etc.

I had kings last week in a tourney and I was probably in the middle of the pack. I called the 2400 blind, raised 15k before the flop, out of position. One person called, he had me 2 to 1 in chips, so I went all in...

I had kings, he had queens... I won, became chip leader and won the whole thing minutes later....

Kings, minutes into the tourney, you have to take em down...

keep reading them books...lol

We need to play some golf Jimbo.

Instant all in only gets called by hands that beat you. Worst way to play it that I can think of with the exception of folding outright.

[MannyIsGod]

Hey Jim, I might be at A&M this upcoming spring. I'll be happy to take your money at your weekly game

[Heath Ledger]

He has $1300 invested $3200 remaining, and you want him to call when the hand played out in a way to suggest someone quite possibly has pocket aces or perhaps trip queens? Its a pretty big hit to say the least but with this structure in these tourneys i think the blinds are like 60 minutes or something, its definitely not panic time.

His fold was one that many good thinking players would make unless they had a reason not too, chip commitment threshold was not met here, especially giving the structure of the tournament which allows you to have some patience.

Usually when you make that call with the way the hand played out you are really far behind. Again with just the description he gave I see no problem with his fold, if its a small buy in 20 min blind tourney one could argue a call may be in order. But the blinds were at 25-50 it was a good fold on paper without any read that this guy was a donkey or making a move. It takes time to ascertain a players ability to make these moves and this was the first orbit or 2nd if it started at 25-25 which is rare.

Lets repeat, the guy showed a sign of strength even though his min raise utg was cheesy then shoved on that flop after a big bet by Jim. Situationally I say it was the right play, what the guy had is irrelevant usually when you make that kind of call early in a tourney you are walking to the rail.

[G-Nob]

If he was a good player, he wouldn't have slow played Aces. Check after the flop with 30or more outs and he's gonna slow play? No way. Not unless he was an internet player.

[Heath Ledger]

He didnt' slow play, he made a fishy min raise preflop utg which in many cases a bad player will do with aces. Its usually a tell of a big hand or big pocket pair to min raise under the gun. On the flop it was a low risk situation because he checked to a raiser who 9 times out of ten is going to continuation bet. He let him do his continuation bet and shoved over the top of him putting him at a decision for all of his chips. He was either selling trip queens or pocket aces. In this case it worked, it may have been his plan. Maybe the guy had Jim pegged as a rock after only 3 or 4 hands of play (doubtful) but he knew nobody wants to bust this early in a tournament, I play a couple hundred hours a month in various tourneys and cash games and any solid player has a hard time making that kind of call holding only a pair early in a tourney, not just early but 25-50 early.

It sucks that you just bled off a third of your stack but again you are not crippled, you have plenty of chips and time to catch some hands you just are a bit more limited with what kind of moves you can make without comitting yourself.

Everyone says it was a bad fold because he folded a better hand but situationally you were not at the table Jim is a solid player and made a play that many solid players would make. I guarantee you Phil Helmuth would have laid that hand down as well as many other top pros this early in a tourney.

[Jimcs50]

He has $1300 invested $3200 remaining, and you want him to call when the hand played out in a way to suggest someone quite possibly has pocket aces or perhaps trip queens? Its a pretty big hit to say the least but with this structure in these tourneys i think the blinds are like 60 minutes or something, its definitely not panic time.

His fold was one that many good thinking players would make unless they had a reason not too, chip commitment threshold was not met here, especially giving the structure of the tournament which allows you to have some patience.

Usually when you make that call with the way the hand played out you are really far behind. Again with just the description he gave I see no problem with his fold, if its a small buy in 20 min blind tourney one could argue a call may be in order. But the blinds were at 25-50 it was a good fold on paper without any read that this guy was a donkey or making a move. It takes time to ascertain a players ability to make these moves and this was the first orbit or 2nd if it started at 25-25 which is rare.

Lets repeat, the guy showed a sign of strength even though his min raise utg was cheesy then shoved on that flop after a big bet by Jim. Situationally I say it was the right play, what the guy had is irrelevant usually when you make that kind of call early in a tourney you are walking to the rail.

All this makes sense, which is why I folded, I wish he never showed me his hand though.

[G-Nob]

Not saying he should've called the all in, just saying he should've gone all in after the flop. Pretending he did actually have the rockets, that is a scary-ass flop for him, considering he knew Jim was strong, (possibly AK, KK, mid pair, etc) but you then put the thought in his mind, "does he have the AK of hearts?" All I'm saying is, with so many outs there is no way he checks after the flop with AA. The only way he knew he could scare Jim off of the hand was to go over the top all in.

[mexicanjunior]

Had he reraised me all in preflop, then I would have gone all in. There are many hands that he would do this with. AA, AK, KK QQ, even JJ, and the only one that has me beat is AA, and I am not folding preflop with KK.

But the way he played hand it smelled like he slow played aces. Yes, if he did slow play aces, he would have checked to me on flop, because I was showing strength preflop and 90% of players follow up with bet on flop when they have position and opponent checks in front of them.

Only 2% of donkeys would have played JJ that way.


Had this ben a young internet type player making this play, I would have called, but the fact that he looked like a tricky, been around the block player, it made me to decide that I was beat.

Tough fold but in that situation, and the amount you paid to buy in, I probably would have done the same thing. All depends on the vibe from the raiser though...

[samikeyp]

Hey Mikey, how have you been doing? Hot enough for you?

Not up here in Lower Canada...er...I mean Michigan.

When I was in town for my radio spot though...I was greeted with 100's the whole time!

[Jimcs50]

Hey Jim, I might be at A&M this upcoming spring. I'll be happy to take your money at your weekly game

Manny, there is a game every night, so you would have a choice of nights to play. All are rake games, but still good games. I would love to be able to give you the opportunity to take my chips.

[Jimcs50]

Not up here in Lower Canada...er...I mean Michigan.

When I was in town for my radio spot though...I was greeted with 100's the whole time!

Michigan, eh? Upper peninsula area?? I am jealous...the golf up there is fantastic.

[samikeyp]

Michigan, eh? Upper peninsula area?? I am jealous...the golf up there is fantastic.

No, Lansing.

I am surprised though, about how nice the golf courses are throughout the state. Then again, they are not open year round like in Texas!

[G-Nob]

In other wsop news, is anyone watching what Ivey is doing right now? Top 26 so far. That mofo has had an unbelievable wsop.