Underrated and overrated in each position

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Of course, most fans are stupid.

Did you post this as you were looking in the mirror?

[DAF86]

That's pretty re ed. Whoever got the ball to start off with would win. Tony would blow right by Tim but Tim would just dominate Tony in the paint. I don't necessarily think going 1-on-1 proves , due to the huge size difference.

And @ all the Mav fans saying Dirk is underrated and Duncan is overrated. Is it like unanimous with you guys? I don't think 1 Spurs fan had Dirk as overrated yet.

I thought pick up game meant other thing. Let me put it this way: Between these two I'd pick Duncan ten times out of ten as my franchise player to win the next season.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Although DOK is hating on Parker a little .

Parker however is not on my list. I think he probably overrated but nothing compared to Mo Williams.

[Ghazi]

Dont give me lip ya Nash hatin !

[Spursfan092120]

overrated:
C: Tim Duncan

Underrated:

PF: Dirk Nowitzki

I know you're just trying to fire up Spurs fans, but this is re ed, Ghazi...One guy is a back to back MVP and still the leader of the Spurs, a team that is a contender every year. And there's no tin way Dirk is underrated...the dude won the MVP Award...you can't be an MVP and be underrated..that's ignorant..but I come to expect ignorance from you.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Dont give me lip ya Nash hatin !

I do hate Nash. I hate Nash as much as Nash hates playing in the finals.

[Leetonidas]

I thought pick up game meant other thing. Let me put it this way: Between these two I'd pick Duncan ten times out of ten as my franchise player to win the next season.

Alright, I understand what you mean. And while I think that Tim is a lot more valuable to the franchise, I still think on offense, Tony is the guy.

[DPG21920]

Parker is underrated for sure, but not from a basketball standpoint. He is underrated from a respect point of view. He gets little to no press and he is often forgotten when best pg talks arise.

The dude finished top 10 in MVP voting this year and has a finals MVP and DOK is still hating on him. What does that tell you? He can do no more to show how good he is. This is just the way of the world.

[DPG21920]

Tim is the most important player all around, but TP will do the heavy lifting on offense. TP is the offense. Tim plays a very important role on the offense, but you can see the transition from Tim's Spurs to Tony's Spurs.

[Spurs_210]

I mean, surely you can't think Duncan is overrated after he put up 40 points on 1 leg in 2006 versus your team. What about the 40 he hung on the Suns in Game 1 last year?

I don't understand the hate. Seriously. I don't find Dirk to be overrated, so I can't see how any would find Duncan overrated.

Its not hate its envy that Dirk will never be Duncan. Duncan is a great all around player on both ends of the court. Dirk is a great shooter. I wouldn't call Duncan underrated cause his greatness is recongized except by Mav fans. Simply cause they are ignorant s.

Duncan > Dirk (I'm sure most the board agrees)

[Ghazi]

Like I said, Dirk is underrated by the FANS and even some talking heads. That he won an MVP isn't relevant.

On ESPN alone:
Dirk Nowitzki isn't a superstar -Stephen A Smith
Legler's insinuations that Dirk was the problem, in a Hornets series were Dirk played great.
Mashburn's insinuation that JET was the best Mavs players.

On these boards:
Manu/Parker > Dirk
Various 2nd tier players considered better than Dirk at various points: Melo, Boozer, Stoudamire, Nash, Pierce, etc
Dirk trade scenarios for Tyrus Thomas and Anthony Randolph
References to my man as a "vagina" or as a "choker" despite his incessant displays of mental/physical toughness and lifetime 25/10 playoff averages.



And then some...

All of this for a 4 time all-NBA 1st teamer, 9 time all-NBA player, 9 time all star, 1 time MVP, and 2006 NBA Champion and of course, the best PF in the universe.

To me this is a case of underrated, I've also seen in the past insinuations that Josh Howard is the best player on the Mavs.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

All of this for a 4 time all-NBA 1st teamer, 9 time all-NBA player, 9 time all star, 1 time MVP, and 2006 NBA Champion and of course, the best PF in the universe.

This shows that he's not underrated.

[DPG21920]

Its not hate its envy that Dirk will never be Duncan. Duncan is a great all around player on both ends of the court. Dirk is a great shooter. I wouldn't call Duncan underrated cause his greatness is recongized except by Mav fans. Simply cause they are ignorant s.

Duncan > Dirk (I'm sure most the board agrees)

I am not saying that I agree that Duncan is overrated, but being better than a player does not mean you cannot be overrated.

Kobe is the best player in the game right now, but people compare him to Jordan, so he is overrated. Because although he is great, he is no where near the level people compare him to.

Just like the "clutch" label. He gets all the coaches/players saying Kobe this and that, but when you look at the stats, Kobe is not even close to the most "clutch" player statistically...

So you can be great and still be overrated imo.

[DAF86]

Alright, I understand what you mean. And while I think that Tim is a lot more valuable to the franchise, I still think on offense, Tony is the guy.

Tony is the most capable scorer on the team right now. But scoring is just an aspect of basketball.

[Hornets1]

Overrated:
PG: Kidd/Nash(to slow to handle the young pg's)
SG: Redd(one-trick pony)
SF: Turkoglu(cant believe he got that contract)
PF: Boozer
C: Bynum

Underrated:
PG- D-Will(easily the most underrated player in the league......easily)
SG- S-Jax(Dude can ball and has improved his at ude)
SF- A.I. 2.0(gets better every year as his game rounds out)
PF- Scola(he is a beast and a smart player who always seems to be in good position)
C- Oberto(same reasons as Scola)

[Leetonidas]

Like I said, Dirk is underrated by the FANS and even some talking heads. That he won an MVP isn't relevant.

On ESPN alone:
Dirk Nowitzki isn't a superstar -Stephen A Smith
Legler's insinuations that Dirk was the problem, in a Hornets series were Dirk played great.
Mashburn's insinuation that JET was the best Mavs players.

On these boards:
Manu/Parker > Dirk
Various 2nd tier players considered better than Dirk at various points: Melo, Boozer, Stoudamire, Nash, Pierce, etc
Dirk trade scenarios for Tyrus Thomas and Anthony Randolph
References to my man as a "vagina" or as a "choker" despite his incessant displays of mental/physical toughness and lifetime 25/10 playoff averages.



And then some...

All of this for a 4 time all-NBA 1st teamer, 9 time all-NBA player, 9 time all star, 1 time MVP, and 2006 NBA Champion and of course, the best PF in the universe.

To me this is a case of underrated, I've also seen in the past insinuations that Josh Howard is the best player on the Mavs.

Most people here bash on Dirk as they have a good hatred for the Mavericks. It's a rivalry man. I'm sure most people don't HONESTLY believe that Tony/Manu > Dirk. That's just ridiculous. I believe Dirk is one of the best PFs of all time, but he's not on Duncan's level. Those are some nice stats man, but these are way better:

Two-time MVP (2002, 2003), four-time NBA champion (1999, 2003, 2005, 2007) and three-time NBA Finals MVP (1999, 2003, 2005), Rookie of the Year and elected into the All-NBA Rookie Team, made the first of 11 NBA All-Star Teams (1997–98 and 1999–2000 to 2008–09; ten First Team nominations), 12 All-NBA Teams (1997–98 to 2008–09; nine First Team nominations), and 12 All-Defensive Teams (1997–98 to 2008–09; eight First Team nominations).

Duncan is also one of only four players to receive All-NBA First Team honors in each of his first eight seasons (1998–2005), along with Hall of Famers Bob Pet (ten seasons), Larry Bird (nine seasons), and Oscar Robertson (nine seasons), and is the only player in NBA history to receive All-NBA and All-Defensive honors in his first twelve seasons (1997–98 to 2008–09).



And yes I took this from wiki.

[Tacker]

Overrated Power Forward:

Tim Duncan

[DPG21920]

This is not a debate on who is better. It is a debate on who is overrated. I was one of the ones trying to say that TP can be better than Dirk. It just depends on how much TP can improve.

I think if TP makes the strides he made last year and leads the team to a le, he is a lot closer to Dirk than Dirk is to Duncan.

[Spurs_210]

I am not saying that I agree that Duncan is overrated, but being better than a player does not mean you cannot be overrated.

Kobe is the best player in the game right now, but people compare him to Jordan, so he is overrated. Because although he is great, he is no where near the level people compare him to.

Just like the "clutch" label. He gets all the coaches/players saying Kobe this and that, but when you look at the stats, Kobe is not even close to the most "clutch" player statistically...

So you can be great and still be overrated imo.

I didn't mean Duncan is overrated but he is not underrated. I was simply implying that Duncan is better than Dirk since Ghazi seems to think Dirk is better. I actually believe Dirk is underrated. Dirk with a strong post player would be a sick front court.

[Spurs_210]

Overrated:

C- Gorat and Bynum (although he has shown he could be a top center still not proven imo)
PF- KG
SF- Melo
SG- T-Mac
PG- Mo Williams (not an all-star)

Underrated:

C- Perkins
PF- Gasol (guy has skill and yet is being called a scrub)
SF- Durant (kid is gonna be amazing)
SG- Manu
PG- Rando

[redzero]

How is Chris Paul overrated, Ghazi? Is it because he's not on the Mavericks?

[Spurs da champs]

Nice list, although I don't think Paul Pierce belongs there, nor David west. Kidd is old, but can still produce.
Not when people like Ron Artest, Amare Stoudemire and Allen Iverson are out there.

Here's my list.

Underrated

PG Chauncey Billups
SG Stephen Jackson
SF Caron Butler
PF Al Jefferson
C Kendrick Perkins

Overrated

PG Allen Iverson
SG Vince Carter
SF Carmelo Anthony
PF Amare Stoudamire
C Erick Dampier

Are you kidding me? Melo is the most underrated play in the league.

Underrated:

PG Jameer Nelson
SG Brandon Roy
SF Melo
PF Lamarcus Aldridge
C Brook Lopez

Overrated:
PG CP3
SG Ben Gordon
SF Hedo
PF Amare
C Andrew Bynum.

[Mark in Austin]

under:
Derek Fisher
Brandon Roy
Jack
Danny Granger
Al Jefferson

over:
Arenas
Ben Gordon
Marion
Rashard Lewis
Bynum

[Ghazi]

How is Chris Paul overrated, Ghazi? Is it because he's not on the Mavericks?

Well he's considered a superstar and IDK about you but I dont consider guys superstars that let Jannero Pargo take 13 4th quarter shots in a pivotal game 7 then follow it up by shooting 40% and committing 5 turnovers a game and losing by 60 on home court. I dunno, those just aren't superstar like performances if you ask me.

A more unbiased angle is he got 1st team all NBA defense, so at the very least his defense is overrated

[sonic21]

Overrated:

PG Rondo
SG Mo Williams
SF Hedo
PF Amare
C Dwight Howard

Underrated:

PG Andre Miller
SG Manu Ginobili
SF Kevin Durant
PF Dirk
C Al Jefferson (pf but i wanted him on the list)