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Now i wish i watched Williams play, as of now i would say that Hairston position is more valuable cause we have no quality back up SFs.
The Spurs are going to need somebody to fill the 3rd PG spot. It's probably going to be a vaughn-type vet with no upside or Williams with lots of upside. Take your pick. But Hairston can't do it. Mason and Ginobili can do it but the rest of their games suffer to the point it's not worth the trade-off. And you don't want to waste Manu's minutes on him playing third string point guard anyway.
Now i wish i watched Williams play, as of now i would say that Hairston position is more valuable cause we have no quality back up SFs.
Williams is 6'7 and can play the 1, 2, or 3.
Here's what RC Buford said yesterday:
"-Marcus Williams really blossomed this year. Toros coach Quin Snyder did a great job working with him -- not only helping him mature as a player but also helping him mature as a person.
-Williams took great strides. By the playoffs, he was averaging 30+ points, 10-11 rebounds and 10-11 assists. It was a really good learning experience for Williams and the Spurs are excited about what he can bring to the team this year.
-The Spurs have expanded the paradigm on how they are evaluating Williams. He may be able to be a backup point guard -- kind of a utility player on the perimeter playing three different position. He can defend two or three different positions. He's a really good rebounder. Snyder did a great job of expanding Williams' ballhandling ability and getting him comfortable with the ball in his hands. With Austin, he became a really good pick-and-roll player in regards to how to read the pick-and-roll and how to find the right players. "
and Hairston can do what?!
Bonner was listed as our 5 and he is a shade under 6'10".
Overrated by who? RC Buford?
It seems from what ChumperDumper said, and he follows the Torros closely, that Williams drew the assignment of the tougher perimeter player over Hairston.
Williams has grown a bit?
Pre-draft measurements:
Edit: DX has the other Williams' measurements listed under the AZ williams?Code:Malik Hairston Height w/o Shoes Height w/shoes Weight Wingspan Standing Reach 6' 4.25" 6' 5.25" 204 6' 9" 8' 7.5" Marcus Williams Height w/o Shoes Height w/shoes Weight Wingspan Standing Reach 6' 2" 6' 3.25" 215 6' 7" 8' 1.5"
Different Marcus Williams. That Williams is the PG out of UConn.
No. http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/...-Williams-546/
I think they just put the wrong measurements up. It's the correct profile.
Yeah, there's a mix up going on right now on the site. The first scouting report is about the UConn Marcus Williams on the UA Marcus Williams page.
They posted UConn's Marcus Williams' 2006 stats.
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-...0&pos=0&sort=1
Arizona's Marcus Williams didn't go for 2007 pre-draft measurements.
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-...0&pos=0&sort=1
The one thing that seems lost in the discussion is that both of these guys are 22 years old. Hairston was one of the top players coming out of high school in the US when he graduated.
I'm not sure it will be an either/or decision. I think the Spurs are inclined to keep both. Their season(s) with the Toros may just have enabled the Spurs to keep them while they developed enough to warrant a shot at the rotation.
It's obvious RC is looking for a success story or three from Toro alumni.
Williams' wingspan mentioned as 7' in his NBAdraft.net profile.
I already think they have their success stories, but we're just slow to realize it. Hairston, Williams and Mahinmi will all play for the Spurs next season.
You make a great point about the fallacy of either/or. The Hairston-Williams thing is a both/and. This thread is predicated on a false dilemma.
RC will get his argument for extending the Toros project. Holt will see it on display at every home game.
wow that is ridiculously long.
williams is a triple double guy....every night. I think he should be our second/third point guard.......this is a guy that would flourish in the triangle......if we don't keep I am sure the lakers would love to have him.
no doubt
hairston
True. As has been said before, Williams may indeed be penciled in for the third point guard spot. His skill set is quite distinct from that of Hairston.
Although this off season has been unusual in many ways, it doesn't seem fitting with Pop's temperament and past to go into this season with anything like four or five rookies. But who knows-- maybe that was the trade off that RC sold him on, that he gets two good savvy vets in Jefferson and McDyess and in return has to deal with the headache of 4 rookies...
Ben Wallace was a 6'9 5
My point is not who to keep (we can keep both), but who will be on the regular 12 man roster. Once you add all the veterans (who usually are always in the regular rotation), then you have a choice of either Williams or Hairston for the SG/SF position. Who do you choose then?
Marcus E. Williams is 6'7
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/marcus...eer_stats.html
Malik Hairston is 6'6
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/malik_...eer_stats.html
Technically, it already did since our current contract with Williams was independent of that pick being made.
The more I think about it the more I think you're on to something here. Clearly the Spurs are targeting Hill to be the backup PG, so if things go the way the Spurs are hoping then the 3rd PG isn't going to be playing much. If they have any faith in Williams PG abilities at the NBA level at all then there is a lot of logic behind keeping someone with his versatility around. There's certainly value in having an NBA equivalent to a utility infielder on the roster.
Real unfortuante that Williams got hurt and can't be on the SL team. How he would have been used in these games would have told us a lot about what the Spurs are thinking.
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