Williams versus Hairston Thread

[DBMethos]

All this speculation about Williams has made me really want to see him play...hopefully he'll be recovered in time for training camp/preseason.

[Solid D]

People keep talking about Marcus as though he is a Spurs' asset (for trades, etc.). Question: When did Marcus Williams sign a contract with the Spurs for the 2009-10 season? I know he signed a contract for the minimum on April 8, 2009 a few days after Drew Gooden signed a contract with them. However, I thought, just like Gooden, Williams is now a free agent. Does someone have a link to the contract signing for 2009-10?

Here are the contract listings on Patricia Bender's eskimo site:
http://www.eskimo.com/~pbender/contracts

San Antonio Spurs Date # of total
Player signed years salary misc FA
Drew Gooden ........... 4/5/09 1 minimum '09
Marcus Williams ....... 4/8/09 1 minimum '09
Ime Udoka ............. 8/16/07 2 $2 million '09
Jacque Vaughn ......... 7/12/07 2 $2.5 million '09
Matt Bonner ........... 7/12/07 3 $9 million '10
Michael Finley ........ 8/23/08 2 $5 million '10
Emanuel Ginobili ...... 7/15/04 6 $52 million '10
Malik Hairston ........ 7/8/09 1 minimum '10
Marcus Haislip ........ 7/8/09 1 minimum '10
Roger Mason Jr ........ 7/11/08 2 ??? '10
Richard Jefferson ..... 7/13/01,8/13/04 4+6 $6,715,314+$76mill p-opt '10
Ian Mahinmi ........... 8/23/07 4 $4,976,350 rc t-opt '11
Tony Parker ........... 9/21/01,11/1/04 4+6 $3,946,521 + $66mill '11
Tim Duncan ............ 7/16/03,10/30/07 7+2 $122,007,704+$40 mill '12
George Hill ........... 9/24/08 4 $5,331,400 rc t-opt '11+12

[Solid D]

RealGM and Hoopshype both show Marcus under contract, in fact Hoopshype shows him at $825,497 for 2009-10 with a qualifying offer of $1,060,120 for 2010-11.

Was the contract that was signed on April 8th including 2009-10 and a qualif. for 2010-11? If so, I haven't been able to find the announcement. The April 8th announcement was non-specific. It would make sense if it was done that way at the end of last season in order to keep him.

[The Truth #6]

The more I think about it the more I think you're on to something here. Clearly the Spurs are targeting Hill to be the backup PG, so if things go the way the Spurs are hoping then the 3rd PG isn't going to be playing much. If they have any faith in Williams PG abilities at the NBA level at all then there is a lot of logic behind keeping someone with his versatility around. There's certainly value in having an NBA equivalent to a utility infielder on the roster.

Real unfortuante that Williams got hurt and can't be on the SL team. How he would have been used in these games would have told us a lot about what the Spurs are thinking.

I agree. But at the same time, giving as many minutes as possible to Hill at the PG position is probably more important. As long as one of Williams or Hairston makes the team, then I'll be happy. If the FO creates room for both of them, then even better. We'll see how McClinton and Gist fare as we go along.

[timaios]

RealGM and Hoopshype both show Marcus under contract, in fact Hoopshype shows him at $825,497 for 2009-10 with a qualifying offer of $1,060,120 for 2010-11.

Was the contract that was signed on April 8th including 2009-10 and a qualif. for 2010-11? If so, I haven't been able to find the announcement. The April 8th announcement was non-specific. It would make sense if it was done that way at the end of last season in order to keep him.

Same thing on shamsports.com

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pa...ries/spurs.jsp

[zepn]

http://www.nba.com/spurs/roster/ shows Williams as a regular member of the Spurs roster (not a free agent, or unsigned).

[coyotes_geek]

I agree. But at the same time, giving as many minutes as possible to Hill at the PG position is probably more important. As long as one of Williams or Hairston makes the team, then I'll be happy. If the FO creates room for both of them, then even better. We'll see how McClinton and Gist fare as we go along.

Agree about Hill needing the majority of the PG minutes, but it would have been interesting to see whether the Spurs would have used Williams as the PG when Hill was out. Or if they would have tried playing some Williams at the 1 and Hill at the 2.

IMO Gist is caught in a numbers crunch and it really doesn't matter whether he plays well in the SL or not. The Spurs sure look like they think of him as a 4 and the Spurs are overloaded with 4's. He's not making the squad this year. McClinton, who knows? It seems backwards, but I actually think that McClinton would play better on the Spurs than he will on their summer league team. Put him on the floor with Tim Duncan and he starts getting open looks at the basket. Something he's not getting in the SL.

[anonoftheinternets]

somehow marcus williams seems more intriguing than hariston ... the upside is scary ... from what people are saying, he mite become a trevor ariza lite with ball handling capability ...

[1usamotorsports.com]

somehow marcus williams seems more intriguing than hariston ... the upside is scary ... from what people are saying, he mite become a trevor ariza lite with ball handling capability ...

Marcus will do his thang just wait n see .

[Solid D]

http://www.nba.com/spurs/roster/ shows Williams as a regular member of the Spurs roster (not a free agent, or unsigned).

Yeah, I saw that too zepn. I visited the Forum sporadically earlier in the year, so it could have been posted here and I missed it.

[zepn]

Yeah, I saw that too zepn. I visited the Forum sporadically earlier in the year, so it could have been posted here and I missed it.

I didn't know either, so after you mentioned it that was just the first place I looked.

[Ginnoobbllee]

Holt spent all his dough getting Jefferson, Dice signed. Will now fill out the roster with as cheap as possible options. So will go with youth, since you've got a solid 10 deep roster.

Hence, Mahinimi, Hairston, Haislip, and Williams will make the roster and they will leave it at 14. Cheapest way to go and you continue to develop some youth and pluck the fruits from your farm system.

Could sign McClinton to a minimum contract if he warrants it, and assign him to Austin for necessary grooming and refertilize the farm system. That's 15.

If injuries crop up and you need vets, you can always bring one in via draft pick trade during the season.

[hater]

it's harvest time. hairston, williams can both contribute

[ceperez]

Well there you have it folks, as of today's Blair signing, we have 13 man roster signed for the season:

Parker / Hill
Mason / Ginobili / Williams
RJ / Finley
Duncan / Haislip / Blair
McDyess / Bonner / Mahinmi

In other words, I highly doubt we'll sign a guaranteed contract with a 14th or 15th man. Typical spurs fashion will have them called up from D-league. What this means is that Hairston, Gist, McClinton are all out of luck! In fact, the most glaring hole right now is a true backup PG.

[Solid D]

it's harvest time. hairston, williams can both contribute

Mahinmi, Hairston and Williams need to contribute this season to show that the Spurs' financial investment in the Toros (as part of the Spurs Sports & Entertainment family of sports franchises) was worth it.

[coyotes_geek]

Well there you have it folks, as of today's Blair signing, we have 13 man roster signed for the season:

Parker / Hill
Mason / Ginobili / Williams
RJ / Finley
Duncan / Haislip / Blair
McDyess / Bonner / Mahinmi

In other words, I highly doubt we'll sign a guaranteed contract with a 14th or 15th man. Typical spurs fashion will have them called up from D-league. What this means is that Hairston, Gist, McClinton are all out of luck! In fact, the most glaring hole right now is a true backup PG.

Hairston has a contract too.

[zepn]

Start of the season:

Parker / Hill / Williams
Mason / Ginobili / Williams
Jefferson / Finley / Williams
Duncan / Blair / Mahinmi
McDyess / Bonner / Mahinmi

Hairston and Haislip are the reserves


And just for fun, with Finley and Bonner as reserves:

Parker / Hill / Williams
Mason / Ginobili / Hairston
Jefferson / Williams / Hairston
Duncan / Blair / Haislip
McDyess / Mahinmi / Haislip

[Obstructed_View]

My point is not who to keep (we can keep both), but who will be on the regular 12 man roster. Once you add all the veterans (who usually are always in the regular rotation), then you have a choice of either Williams or Hairston for the SG/SF position. Who do you choose then?

Since you can set the lineup every game, you let them play either according to matchups or just rotate them and decide by who's the most productive.

[AFBlue]

Well there you have it folks, as of today's Blair signing, we have 13 man roster signed for the season:

Parker / Hill
Mason / Ginobili / Williams
RJ / Finley
Duncan / Haislip / Blair
McDyess / Bonner / Mahinmi

In other words, I highly doubt we'll sign a guaranteed contract with a 14th or 15th man. Typical spurs fashion will have them called up from D-league. What this means is that Hairston, Gist, McClinton are all out of luck! In fact, the most glaring hole right now is a true backup PG.

Probably won't fill both, but it's likely they fill one. Given the lack of depth at the wing, I'd give Hairston the edge.

Still, even signed I think it's very possible Hairston is sent down to the Toros to continue his development and is only really called up if there is a necessity.

[angelbelow]

It's a damn shame Williams isn't playing in the summer league. I remember he had one great game last year with the Clippers, 30 pts 10 rebs? But also a few poor games. Hopefully hes ready to go come preseason time.

[The Truth #6]

RealGM and Hoopshype both show Marcus under contract, in fact Hoopshype shows him at $825,497 for 2009-10 with a qualifying offer of $1,060,120 for 2010-11.

Was the contract that was signed on April 8th including 2009-10 and a qualif. for 2010-11? If so, I haven't been able to find the announcement. The April 8th announcement was non-specific. It would make sense if it was done that way at the end of last season in order to keep him.

Wow. That's more than I thought they would pay him.

[Sway]

Parker / Hill
Mason / Ginobili / Williams
RJ / Finley
Duncan / Haislip / Blair
McDyess / Bonner / Mahinmi

If I had to guess this would be the roster. Williams versatility (if he can perform) would be much more usefull to the team that what Hairston can bring.

[zepn]

RC has already said they see Blair getting 20 minutes/game. He won't be third string. And only 12 players can be active (not 13). Hairston and Haislip will be the reserves.

Parker / Hill / Williams
Mason / Ginobili / Williams
Jefferson / Finley / Williams
Duncan / Blair / Mahinmi
McDyess / Bonner / Mahinmi

[BackHome]

Well alot of questions still need to be answered before we can put the names to stone. Is manu healed, can Ian play center, can Hill be a backup pg, has Williams matured, is Haislip as good as advertised?

[Solid D]

Jeff McDonald posted this tonight about Marcus:

Summer League notes, Take 3

* Marcus Williams. Williams isn't playing in Vegas, having undergone offseason wrist surgery. But he is here, and he is under contract with the Spurs for training camp. The Spurs brass loves him, so he will have every opportunity to make the roster in the fall.

So he is under contract with the Spurs for training camp....