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    and the spurs have still the LLE right ?
    Yessir.

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    No it is true..........


    Spurs Sit DeJuan Blair in Summer League


    Posted: 7/15/2009 5:55:00 AM


    Blair, a second-round pick out of Pittsburgh, was held for contractual reasons. As in, he doesn't have one, and doesn't want to risk injury until he does.
    Right, and Karl Malone chose the Spurs too..

    http://cellphoneforums.net/sports/t1...lay-spurs.html

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    Depends how Blair's contract is structured (I'm trying to find that out now). But even in the best case scenarios, there's barely anymore room.
    Thanks. I was wondering if the Spurs might have left a little bit of the MLE on purpose, so that it could be combined with something else and/or if that could be used (as with Blairs contract) to go for more than the 2 years that the LLE is restricted to.

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    Nice work.

    That tells me the Spurs planned to save just enough money after McDyess and Blair to give one of their second round picks (either McClinton or Gist) a three-year deal using the MLE.




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    That $4,510,000 looks like a random number to give McDyess this year but now that the other pieces are falling into place, it makes sense.
    timvp, is it possible to split the LLE money as well like the MLE? I would assume it would be, but I'm not 100%

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    Half a mil is pretty decent to work with.

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    What the heck does have to do with why Blair wanted an immediate contract?

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    What the heck does have to do with why Blair wanted an immediate contract?
    It's on in the Internet, so it must be true.....right?

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    What the heck does have to do with why Blair wanted an immediate contract?
    that your source is wrong.

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    Nice work.

    That tells me the Spurs planned to save just enough money after McDyess and Blair to give one of their second round picks (either McClinton or Gist) a three-year deal using the MLE.
    That RC sure seems to know what he's doing. Everyone else just throws their full MLE at a quality free agent and is done. RC finds a way to get the quality free agent and squeeze in two 2nd round picks as well out of his MLE.

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    That $4,510,000 looks like a random number to give McDyess this year but now that the other pieces are falling into place, it makes sense.
    Going back to the previous question regarding his raises: Take 8% of the $4.51 mil ($360k) and the Spurs can give raises, or even decreases if they wanted to, for any amount within that number for each year of the contract. Year 2 just needs to be within +/- $360k of year 1. Year 3 needs to be within +/- $360k of year 2.

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    I have a feeling were going to use the LLE on Bowen once he gets waived. hes making 4 million right now with 50% guaranteed correct? so i think we pay him more then the minimum and give him the LLE to help make up the salary he's losing out on. Spurs have always been good to bowen. just a guess on my part though

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    I haven't seen any concrete info on the matter as well, but the only way we could offer Blair a 3yr/$2.7mil contract would be using money from the MLE, we can't offer more than 2 years if we're using money from LLE and his deal is clearly more than the min contract ( which can also be 2 years max ).

    I can see the scenario going like this. Prior to the draft the Spurs are prepared to hit the free agency hard going after someone, presumably Sheed, with their full MLE. Sheed's agent, of course, is interested but nothing official can be said or done until July 1st. On draft night Blair falls to the Spurs, they quickly realize he's a steal and would be worth/would demand more than the min, so they decide the best way to keep him would be by locking him on a 3yr deal, using MLE money, instead of 2 yrs using LLE. Contract offer to Sheed is not for the full MLE, unlike offers from other teams, thus Sheed's agent comes up with his infamous quote that the Spurs have to do 'something'. We wonder what that something could be and assume it's the 3rd year, because we think we're offering the whole MLE,like everyone else, while in fact we're not. Then the Spurs decide to go after Dice and keep both Dice and Blair and Sheed comes up with a stupid quote from his press conf. about the Spurs offer.
    I think you nailed it.

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    timvp, is it possible to split the LLE money as well like the MLE? I would assume it would be, but I'm not 100%
    Bi-annual exception
    The bi-annual exception may be used to sign any free agent to a contract starting at $1.672 million in 2005-06, but cannot be used two years in a row (and if the $1 million exception from the previous CBA was used in 2004-05, the bi-annual exception cannot be used in 2005-06). Like the mid-level exception, the $1 million exception can also be split among more than one player, and can be used to sign players for up to two years, with raises limited to 8% per year. This exception was referred to as the "$1 million exception" in the 1999 CBA, although it was only valued at $1 million for the first year of the agreement.

    I believe this answers your question.

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    Nice work.

    That tells me the Spurs planned to save just enough money after McDyess and Blair to give one of their second round picks (either McClinton or Gist) a three-year deal using the MLE.
    Well, the minimum salary for a rookie in 2009-10 is $457,588 and for a 2nd year player is $736,420. So they could give McClinton or Gist about $100K extra in salary for the 1st year...

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    I can see the scenario going like this. Prior to the draft the Spurs are prepared to hit the free agency hard going after someone, presumably Sheed, with their full MLE. Sheed's agent, of course, is interested but nothing official can be said or done until July 1st. On draft night Blair falls to the Spurs, they quickly realize he's a steal and would be worth/would demand more than the min, so they decide the best way to keep him would be by locking him on a 3yr deal, using MLE money, instead of 2 yrs using LLE. Contract offer to Sheed is not for the full MLE, unlike offers from other teams, thus Sheed's agent comes up with his infamous quote that the Spurs have to do 'something'. We wonder what that something could be and assume it's the 3rd year, because we think we're offering the whole MLE,like everyone else, while in fact we're not. Then the Spurs decide to go after Dice and keep both Dice and Blair and Sheed comes up with a stupid quote from his press conf. about the Spurs offer.
    Yeah, I said basically the same thing a day or two ago on the 'sheed thread, but no one seemed interested. Guess he's old news...

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    Its probably going to be McClinton for the remainder the MLE. RC has been saying that Jack is going to be a Eddie House for the spurs and that Eddie House had to develope to a Eddie House. RC is probably betting on him down the road. 3 year deal and he probably spends his rookie year in Austin

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    that your source is wrong.


    Show me your source that confirms the other theory....

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    Show me your source that confirms the other theory....
    For what it's worth, there was this.

    Summer League Recap 2: Averting the Blair Freakout
    By Jeff McDonald

    A game after rookie DeJuan Blair showcased his rebounding freakishness in his summer-league debut, the Spurs opted to sit him in Tuesday's 78-76 victory over Denver. The official rationale: The Spurs already know what Blair can do. They wanted to see more from other bigs, like Ian Mahinmi and James Gist.

    The Spurs also wanted to see how Blair's knees — which are famously without ACLs — responded to his first summer league game before playing him in his second. Blair logged a 13-point, 10-rebound double-double in Sunday's win over New Orleans.

    "We were going to sit him tonight anyway, so we figured why push it?" Spurs general manager R.C. Buford said. "We wanted to rotate some guys."

    Buford said he did not know if Blair would play Thursday against Oklahoma City.

    Rumors abound that Blair, a second-round pick out of Pittsburgh, was held for contractual reasons. As in, he doesn't have one, and doesn't want to risk injury until he does.

    Unlike with first-round picks, Blair's contractual terms are not locked in by the league's collective bargaining agreement. As such, he is allowed to negotiate any asking price he wants.

    Blair, for his part, says he doesn't expect his contract to be an issue going forward.

    "I'm going to be a Spur," Blair said. "They picked me. I'm just negotiating my contract right now. I plan on being a Spur for a long time."
    http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131301

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    Blair Gets Four Years

    One of the question marks here in Las Vegas has been whether or not the San Antonio Spurs would be able to get business taken care of with draft pick DeJuan Blair. Blair dropped a double-double in limited minutes in the Spurs' first summer league game and then sat out their second. Jonathan Givony of Draft Express has reported that the team is close to signing Blair to a three-year guaranteed contract worth $2.7 million and HOOPSWORLD has learned that it will likely be four years with a team option for the fourth year. The total value of the deal will likely be greater than the reported $2.7 million.

    It's a smart move for the Spurs, who won't have to give Blair a radical increase should he prove that his rumored knee issues really aren't a problem. The deal puts him on par with a low first round pick, which is where he was projected to go originally. The Spurs will use part of their remaining MLE to make the deal happen.

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    Four years for Blair? Holy crap. Never heard of a second round pick getting that many years.

    Nice move for all involved either way

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    Wow. 4 years for Blair is awesome. I'm kind of surprised Blair agreed to a 4th year that was a team option. Great deal for the Spurs though.

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    Pay for 4 to get 3 (ACL replacement insurance...the lost season).

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    Cant wait to watch him this season.

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    I wonder what the record is for the number of years for a 2nd round pick? Anyone know?

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    According to David Chancellor:

    Spurs have signed Blair to a 4yr. 4M dollar contract..

    The Spurs must feel the gamble on his knees is well worth the prospect of having him potentially locked up for 4 years at a bargain basement price.

    I'm guessing the 4th year is a team option, that the Spurs will have no problem picking up if all goes well, and the guaranteed 3yrs. was enough to please the Blair camp at the end of the day.

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    Spurs are all about the team options past couple of years.

    Also, four years for blair would be such a good deal for him, and keeps him on the down low money wise if he turns out to be a stud after a couple of years. That team option on the last is always a great insurance as well

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