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    Howard scored 21 points on Shaq in less than 30 minutes. Man, he struggled.

    Stop exaggerating on stuff.
    You're being a sensitive homer because i said Howard had a weak post game. He has terrible footwork, no jump shot, and no turnaround hooks. Do you dispute this?

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    There you go telling half stories again. What was Shaqs stat line?
    He put up slightly better stats in about seven more minutes. We're talking about Howard's post game here, anyways, try and keep up.

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    Howard's post game is a joke and it's not much of an argument.

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    You're being a sensitive homer because i said Howard had a weak post game. He has terrible footwork, no jump shot, and no turnaround hooks. Do you dispute this?
    His footwork and hooks aren't as bad as people make them out to be, but yes, he has no jump shot.

    Nobody here is making Howard out to be the second coming of Kevin McHale in the post, but it's so blatantly false to say he has no post game. You can't score nearly 21 PPG on just put backs and FTs. If that was all there is to scoring, every big man with a pulse would do it.

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    Howard scored 21 points on Shaq in less than 30 minutes. Man, he struggled.

    Stop exaggerating on stuff.
    Doesn't change the fact of how he got those points. Howard has no post game and if you really think he does then you must not know much about the game or don't really watch. Howard is very young and can develop a post game. So its really not a bad thing.

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    No, not every big man can do it, because Howard is blessed with amazing athleticism. Nothing wrong with that, but he doesn't have a post game.

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    No, not every big man can do it, because Howard is blessed with amazing athleticism. Nothing wrong with that, but he doesn't have a post game.
    Ben Wallace was a terrific athlete and very long. Why couldn't he do it?

    Funny that two of the Howard haters in this thread are Raptors and Cavs fans, two teams Howard routinely torches.

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    His footwork and hooks aren't as bad as people make them out to be, but yes, he has no jump shot.
    I'm not sure how bad "people make them out to be," but they are bad. He has no touch around the rim. He muscles opposing players under the rim and then dunks the ball. That is the extent of his post game. And this is coming from someone that was rooting for his no-post-game-havin ass during the ECF and the Finals. He would get the ball in the post...and it was painful to watch.

    You can't score nearly 21 PPG on just put backs and FTs. If that was all there is to scoring, every big man with a pulse would do it.
    Every "big man with a pule" doesn't have his athleticism. You're being ridiculous.

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    Ben Wallace was a terrific athlete and very long. Why couldn't he do it?

    Funny that two of the Howard haters in this thread are Raptors and Cavs fans, two teams Howard routinely torches.
    Howard has great instincts around the rim, the same reason he's great at rebounds and putbacks. No one is saying Howard is a bad player, but he has no post game. But keep arguing against the world, you look like a genius. Maybe you should rewatch the Finals.

    Funny you'd bring up the Raptors, because Bosh always seems to go off against the Magic. Not sure what that has to do with Howard's lack of a post game, though.

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    Ben Wallace was a terrific athlete and very long. Why couldn't he do it?

    Funny that two of the Howard haters in this thread are Raptors and Cavs fans, two teams Howard routinely torches.
    Ben Wallace is 5'3". No, he is not "very long."

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    I'm not sure how bad "people make them out to be," but they are bad. He has no touch around the rim. He muscles opposing players under the rim and then dunks the ball. That is the extent of his post game. And this is coming from someone that was rooting for his no-post-game-havin ass during the ECF and the Finals. He would get the ball in the post...and it was painful to watch.



    Every "big man with a pule" doesn't have his athleticism. You're being ridiculous.
    You have to have SOME semblance of an offensive game to score 21 PPG in the NBA, I don't care if you are the most athletic player in the history of the game, it's just not as easy as having great athleticism and overpowering people.

    I'm not making him out to be something that he's not, but good lord, he's got some offensive ability.

    Also, why are you bringing up the ECF as being painful to watch? He had no problem scoring in that series at all.

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    And has a far superior post game.
    Bosh's "post game" is shooting jumpers and driving to the rim.

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    Bosh's "post game" is shooting jumpers and driving to the rim.
    Two things Howard can't do

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    There are no Howard haters on this board. Hes not good enough to hate just yet. You are just a blind homer trying to elevate Howards grade schoolish post moves. I think even Kareem said the same about Howard.
    Kareem said he was predictable, not that he didn't have any moves. You can be predictable and have moves. I also agreed with that assessment when it was made.

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    Two things Howard can't do
    It doesn't matter, because the Raptors would trade Bosh for Howard in a heart beat.

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    Lets put it this way, if Howard worked on his post game half as much as Duncan, he'd be unstoppable.

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    Ben Wallace is 5'3". No, he is not "very long."
    Wallace is only 6'7, but with about a 7'3 wingspan, so yes, he is long.

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    It doesn't matter, because the Raptors would trade Bosh for Howard in a heart beat.
    The Raptors don't have enough good shooters to make that trade beneficial.

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    Hey kid, at this point, you are stepping way over your boundaries. We just waxed that ass in the finals. You are in no position to be sassing to your master this way. You might get pinked for this if you keep it up.
    I'm a fan. Neither you nor I are anyone's "masters." Take a step down from the serious ladder and come back down to Earth. Thanks.

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    they're either stacked or ed with the money they're s ing out for a number of backups.

    Odds on carter lasting an entire season?
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    The Raptors don't have enough good shooters to make that trade beneficial.
    With Turkoglu, Calderon, and Bargnani, they have enough shooters. And again, it doesn't matter, because a Bosh led team is never going to go anywhere, anyways, so they'd be better off trading for Howard, building around his defense and rebounding, and redoing everything from scratch.

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    I'm not making him out to be something that he's not, but good lord, he's got some offensive ability.
    Ya, he does. And it's very limited.

    Also, why are you bringing up the ECF as being painful to watch? He had no problem scoring in that series at all.
    I didn't say the ECF was painful to watch, i said that the ECF and the Finals were painful to watch when Dwight was trying to work his post game.

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    If someone has a vast array of moves, then its hard to predict them. When you only have two moves, and those moves are very amateurish, then you are going to have trouble against good defenders.
    That's different than having "no moves whatsoever", though, no matter how amateurish they may be.

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    they used Hedo ALOT this postseason in situations that no other player they currently have can.

    lol magic

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    Ya, he does. And it's very limited.



    I didn't say the ECF was painful to watch, i said that the ECF and the Finals were painful to watch when Dwight was trying to work his post game.
    He worked his post game fine against the Cavs. Again, he had no trouble scoring at all against Cleveland's front line.

    The Lakers are a different story. I've never debated otherwise on that one.

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