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This list is ing re ed.
Gasol is a PF!?!??
This list is ing re ed.
Even with his injuries TD is still gettin respect.
The list IS LIES!
His list didn't consist of any players that are currently injured....so why should that be the list??
It is absolutely outrageous Derek Fisher didn't make top 5 point guard.
Bynum in the top 5 is funny. I hope it doesn't inflate his ego. Dirk > Pau. I'd take Pau over KG, though.
Duncan as #1, Tony as #2, Ginobili only left off cuz of injury, and jefferson cracking the list.Man this list is gonna piss Spur and mavfan off sooooo much.
I am quite ok with this
Gasol #2..... Bull
Bynum outplayed Al Jefferson the last time they played so that is not far-fetched but based on total acomplishmets I agree if healthy AL jeff is better
BUT AL jeff is not a real center he just cant defend PF's ...Id rather have a healthy Bynum even though La jeff is better for defensive presence
Just did a little points system ranking based of the original list. 10 points for No.1 rank-1 point for No.10 rank etc. Take it FWIW
08/09 Season:
Spurs-19
Cavs-10
Lakers-27
Magic-23
Celtics-23
Suns-17
Nuggets-17
Mavs-15
09/10 Season:
Spurs-20 (Without Manu)
Cavs-19
Lakers-33
Magic-25
Celtics-23 (Ranking doesnt change but healthy KG back)
Suns-8
Mavs-18
Nuggets-17
Going by his list and these scores Lakers do have the most talent. Then the Magic, Spurs, Celtics have comparable talent levels. Cavs improved with Shaq to a Mavs and Nuggets level. However, this doesn't include 6th men and the good role players on each team that get the job done.
Really Duncan should be moved to center on these lists ...really duncan cant chase dirk or amare around and Blake Griffin would give him fits ...
AND Are you seriously putting mcdyess or Blair on Dwight howard, Bynum, Shaq Nene or any decent center? Really?
Duncan is a center get over it. Yao is out Duncan should be the starting center for the West in the next all-star game and either 1st or 2nd team all nba at center ...
C - Duncan PF Dirk SF Melo SG Kobe PG Paul or Williams
C - Howard PF KG(healthy) SF LBJ SG Wade PG Rose (by default)
To me Duncan is like Rod woodson who was All world at corner ghot a bit older then became a Pro-bowl safety. Duncan is the post offense and gaurds the best post post player that = center in my book. Duncan has secured his legacy at PF now it's time to dominate Shaq and Howard to end all debate about who is the best big man of the 2000's and it's Tim.
Jefferson is the main guy on the team while Bynum is like the 4th option. Jefferson was getting double teamed, triple teamed while bynum takes advantage of the Kobe and Gasol double teams.
Links: I Got 50!
by Lang Whitaker
SLAM
A couple of days ago, the guys from Basket, which is definitely one of my two favorite basketball magazines from Germany, hit me with an email. They were assembling a panel of international experts to rank the top 10 NBA players for each position (PG, SG, SF, PF, C = 50 players) for their next issue. By German rules, I qualified as an NBA expert, so they sent along a list of the top few dozen at each position, asked me to rank them, and added a few caveats:
- Don’t mix up the positions, please use their list and positions.
- No rookies.
- It’s not about value for money.
- It doesn’t matter if the player was good two years ago or if he has potential - it’s about today.
So…here’s how I ranked the top ten NBA players at each position. Surely there won’t be anyone out there who disagrees with me, right? Apologies go to whoever it pleases. Here’s my Top 50…
POINT GUARDS
1. Chris Paul (New Orleans Hornets)
2. Tony Parker (San Antonio Spurs) Deron should be here
3. Deron Williams (Utah Jazz) TP should be here
4. Jameer Nelson (Orlando Magic)
5. Derrick Rose (Chicago Bulls)
6. Rajon Rondo (Boston Celtics)
7. Chauncey Billups (Denver Nuggets)
8. Steve Nash (Phoenix Suns)
9. Jason Kidd (Dallas Mavericks)
10. Andre Miller (Philadelphia 76ers)
EXPLANATION:
I wasn’t sure what to do with Gilbert Arenas. When he’s healthy, he’s probably top half of that list, but since this list is for today, and we have no idea how Gilbert’s knee is right now, I left him off. Mo Williams also almost cracked my list, but I put this together thinking if I were starting a franchise today and needed a point guard, these are the guys I’d go after first. Mo would probably be number 11 on my list. Or 12, because Devin Harris was also just left off. I know people will probably quibble with Andre Miller making my list, but I’ve always appreciated his game — never the most athletic guy, but he’s really solid and, in the right system, he understands how to run a team. Same with Baron Davis, who I couldn’t find room for, either.
SHOOTING GUARDS
1. Kobe Bryant (Los Angeles Lakers)
2. Dwyane Wade (Miami Heat)
3. Brandon Roy (Portland Trail Blazers)
4. Joe Johnson (Atlanta Hawks)
5. Vince Carter (Orlando Magic)
6. Michael Redd (Milwaukee Bucks)
7. Ray Allen (Boston Celtics)
8. Jason Terry (Dallas Mavericks)
9. Ben Gordon (Detroit Pistons)
10. Allen Iverson (Detroit Pistons)
EXPLANATION:
Calm down, Sacramento fans. Kevin Martin scores a lot of points, but he doesn’t play defense. At all. Also, he’s missed 52 games the last two seasons, and if I’m building my team around someone, it’s not going to be him. GINOBILI! would have made the list, but with his recent injuries I felt safer leaving him off this time. Same with T-Mac. Iverson? He averaged 17 and 5 last year for Detroit, and when the Pistons let him do his thing, they were still a tough team to beat.
SMALL FORWARDS
1. LeBron James (Cleveland Cavaliers)
2. Carmelo Anthony (Denver Nuggets)
3. Kevin Durant (Oklahoma City Thunder)
4. Paul Pierce (Boston Celtics)
5. Ron Artest (L.A. Lakers) Granger here
6. Danny Granger (Indiana Pacers) Artest here
7. Hedo Turkoglu (Toronto Raptors)
8. Shawn Marion (Miami Heat)
9. Josh Howard (Dallas Mavericks)
10. Richard Jefferson (San Antonio Spurs)
EXPLANATION:
I thought this was the toughest category, by far. At different points I had both Andre Iguodala and Caron Butler on this list, but ended up dropping them. There’s also a lot of younger guys on the come-up (Al Thornton, Luol Deng, Rudy Gay, Trevor Ariza) who could crack this list a year from now.
POWER FORWARDS
1. Tim Duncan (San Antonio Spurs) Even with messed up knee's he still deserves this spot
2. Pau Gasol (Los Angeles Lakers)
3. Dirk Nowitzki (Dallas Mavericks)
4. Kevin Garnett (Boston Celtics)
5. Chris Bosh (Toronto Raptors)
6. Amare Stoudemire (Phoenix Suns)
7. Carlos Boozer (Utah Jazz)
8. David West (New Orleans Hornets)
9. Rashard Lewis (Orlando Magic)
10. Josh Smith (Atlanta Hawks)
EXPLANATION:
There may be some quibbling with some of these guys being listed as power forwards, but I didn’t come up with the list. That said, I found it interesting that Boozer was my generously-rated seventh-best power forward in the NBA and he’s still on target to get a $14 million-a-year deal next season. And so many teams are talking about Bosh as a max guy…really? I left off Elton Brand because of his injuries. I left off Charlie Villanueva because he’s not one of the ten best power forwards in the NBA, although someone probably should have explained that to Joe Dumars a while ago. The ten spot came down to Josh Smith and Kenyon Martin, but I went with Smoove because he’s younger and sturdier.
CENTERS
1. Dwight Howard (Orlando Magic)
2. Shaquille O’Neal (Cleveland Cavaliers)
3. Andrew Bynum (Los Angeles Lakers)
4. Al Horford (Atlanta Hawks)
5. Al Jefferson (Minnesota Timberwolves)
6. Mehmet Okur (Utah Jazz)
7. Nene (Denver Nuggets)
8. Brad Miller (Chicago Bulls)
9. Marcus Camby (Los Angeles Clippers)
10. Tyson Chandler (New Orleans Hornets)
The fact that Miller and Camby and Okur are good to be top 10 is sad, what is heppening to the center position?
EXPLANATION:
I let off Yao because his foot exploded, otherwise he was my definite number 2 on this list. At the same time, I broke my own rule about the injuries to include Al Jefferson on this list, because the top ten centers were really looking weak and I was afraid I’d have to include Jermaine O’Neal or Chris Kaman or Emeka Okafor. And we can’t be having that.
Bull , Sasha Vujicic should be on the list.
Gasol is not better than Dirk.
The other lists aren't too bad (although I have a few objections), but the list of centres is ATROCIOUS.
1. Dwight Howard (Orlando Magic)
2. Shaquille O’Neal (Cleveland Cavaliers)
3. Andrew Bynum (Los Angeles Lakers)
4. Al Horford (Atlanta Hawks)
5. Al Jefferson (Minnesota Timberwolves)
6. Mehmet Okur (Utah Jazz)
7. Nene (Denver Nuggets)
8. Brad Miller (Chicago Bulls)
9. Marcus Camby (Los Angeles Clippers)
10. Tyson Chandler (New Orleans Hornets)"
Jefferson is clearly second on that list, Horford is third, Nene is currently a better player than Bynum, and Okafor is better than the bottom 3. How the does Chandler beat out Okafor, Perkins or Lopez? Chandler hasn't done since his 12/12 season. Drop the bottom 3 for those guys.
Yeah, totally agree with that too.
Rondo is the 4th best PG in the league behind CP3/TP/DW, who are pretty even really. I've seen each of them beat each of the others on a given day. And Chauncey is 5th - he knows how to run a team, he leads the locker room, and he's a clutch shooter.
Al Jefferson, I feel for you man.
No one gives you love. GTFO Minnesota.
I've said it all along, Al Jefferson is an awesome offensive force. But until you actually watch him play, you won't realize his defense is easily one of the worst among Centers. Bynum's not as good offensively but he's way better defensively than Jefferson.
Al Jefferson's defense makes Amare look like a lockdown defender. Look at the point differentials on 82games, you'll see Jefferson gives up almost as many points as he scores to the other Center.
Yes, it's really that bad.
I'm surprised Manu didn't make the list, maybe due to injuries. I think Tony Parker last year was better than CP3 offensively but CP3's knack for drawing a foul makes him better defensively.
Call me a homer but, Josh Howard, Shawn Marion and Ron Artest > Jefferson? I dont know about that.
2 of those guys cant create their own shot, OR create for others. The other one is a career 40% guy. All 3 are nutcases, and all have slipped considerably defensively.
Fixed.
To add on, Why in the world is Andre Iguodala and Caron Butler not on the list for SF? Everyone knows Iggy and Caron are easily better than Shawn Marion and better than Josh Howard by a little bit as they were the top guys on their team.
Iggy should deffo be there, aswell as Caron, especially over Marion.
j.terry,redd over manu????
Horrible list.
Jameer Nelson has half a season of hot shooting and is suddenly a top 5 PG? No.
Dirk is the best PF in the world. Duncan is a center for s sake. You're telling me Duncan is the 4 while McDyess is the 5? Nope. Gasol > Dirk is laughable too, and is simply a "trendy" or homer pick.
Devin Harris is a top 10 PG.
The omission of Iguodala/Ginobili from the 2 guards is terrible.
Butler is a top 10 small forward definitely
Bynum is a top 6-7 center or so... 3rd is just way too high.
This person has no credibility at all, or simply fails to evaluate talent
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