cheney doth protest too much.

[Marcus Bryant]

And did I mention the president's skin coloration is black? What an aesthete's delight!

[Wild Cobra]

If that was the case, VP Cheney needn't have ordered the CIA to remain silent.

Then why did Cheney have to order te CIA to be silent?

Point of order...

Who is they source saying Cheney ordered or directed the CIA to be quite? The only news I heard is he is alleged to do that. Is there any real evidence, or do you believe that because you want to?

[Winehole23]

CIA Director Leon Panetta testified to a congressional committee that he was told former Vice President Cheney ordered the intelligence agency to withhold information about a secret counterterrorism program from Congress, the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee said Sunday.

Testimony from the CIA chief, duly sworn before the US Congress.

[Winehole23]

It's the lede in the OP.

[DarkReign]

Some people in America and around the world care way too much about government and politics. Seriously, why get worked up over something that was/is out of your control? You guys are busting Cheney's balls for nothing. He and the CIA weren't required to notify Congress about the in progam that really didn't exist when you think about. The progam was just on paper. It never got off the ground from what I've heard and read. Why about something that didn't even happen? Besides, terrorists deserve to be hunted and killed. They're animals that have nothing better to do than destroy families, countries, cities, and human beings. If you're trying to hijack a plane or blow up some building, you deserve to get ed up by a bad-ass assassin.

This is one of the worst arguments I have ever heard for citizens to start caring less about government and the "things that are out of (our) control".

Youre yellow and submissive. Never make another accusation about "Lord" Obama because youre just as subservient and marginalized as those you wish to insult.

[Winehole23]

The Obama administration's top intelligence official, Director of National Intelligence Dennis C. Blair, yesterday defended Panetta's decision to cancel the program, which he said had raised serious questions among intelligence officials about its "effectiveness, maturity and the level of control."


But Blair broke with some Democrats in Congress by asserting that the CIA did not violate the law when it failed to inform lawmakers about the secret program until last month. Blair said agency officials may not have been required to notify Congress about the program, though he believes they should have done so.



"It was a judgment call," Blair said in an interview. "We believe in erring on the side of working with the Hill as a partner."

The program was active in fits and starts, and it was essentially killed in 2004 because it was deemed ineffective, former and current intelligence officials said.

[Wild Cobra]

CIA Director Leon Panetta testified to a congressional committee that he was told former Vice President Cheney ordered the intelligence agency to withhold information about a secret counterterrorism program from Congress, the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee said Sunday.

Testimony from the CIA chief, duly sworn before the US Congress.

He said that he was told. He doesn't say by whom.

That doesn't answer the question I asked now, does it. It is still just an unsubstantiated allegation, right?

Again, he says he was told. He doesn't say he was told by.

You guys continue to call me all kinds of names, but it is that type of misunderstanding why you think incorrectly. You see and read what you want to believe. Not what is said.

[Jacob1983]

Go smoke some doobies, hippies.

[Winehole23]

He said that he was told. He doesn't say by whom.

That doesn't answer the question I asked now, does it. It is still just an unsubstantiated allegation, right?

You guys continue to call me all kinds of names, but it is that type of misunderstanding why you think incorrectly. You see and read what you want to believe. Not what is said.

You're the one who's having trouble understanding what was said IMO.

It's not like the info is hearsay from an anonymous source. It comes from the top CIA official testifying under oath, under penalty of perjury if he lies.

[Winehole23]

That may not be proof to satisfy a court of law, but suggesting that this is mere propaganda or otherwise is unresponsible journalism is more than a stretch IMO.

[Wild Cobra]

You're the one who's having trouble understanding what was said IMO.

It's not like the info is hearsay from an anonymous source. It comes from the top CIA official testifying under oath, under penalty of perjury if he lies.

Yes, and under oath, he says someone told him that Cheney said that. Was the person who said it was Cheney under oath, or reliable? If this third party lied, Panetta's statement is still true that he was told it was Cheney who said it.

It is hearsay. Who told this to Panetta?

[George Gervin's Afro]

Yes, and under oath, he says someone told him that Cheney said that. Was the person who said it was Cheney under oath, or reliable? If this third party lied, Panetta's statement is still true that he was told it was Cheney who said it.

It is hearsay. Who told this to Panetta?

So your against heresay when dealing with accusations... let's see how long before you claim , via heresay, an accusation against obama is solid... 10 15 minutes?

[Wild Cobra]

So your against heresay when dealing with accusations... let's see how long before you claim , via heresay, an accusation against obama is solid... 10 15 minutes?

I am never one to believe hearsay without some solid supporting evidence. I do believe Panetta's words. WH is under the impression that what he said is true, and I point out Panetta is not the source. As accurate as what Panetta's words were, he could have been lied to.

[Winehole23]

Yes, and under oath, he says someone told him that Cheney said that. Was the person who said it was Cheney under oath, or reliable? If this third party lied, Panetta's statement is still true that he was told it was Cheney who said it.

So then you are impugning the Bush administration source who revealed it to Panetta? That's a refreshing change of pace, WC.

[Wild Cobra]

So then you are impugning the Bush administration source who revealed it to Panetta? That's a refreshing change of pace, WC.

Take it that way if you want. I don't care. I am pointing out that it is not factually established that Cheney made such an order or request. The source could have been a CIA source. How do you know it was a White House source?

If you have evidence that nobody else has, why aren't you testifying?

[Winehole23]

Take it that way if you want. I don't care. I am pointing out that it is not factually established that Cheney made such an order or request.

Panetta testified to it and the newspapers reported it. Neither Cheney nor anyone in the CIA has denied it. That makes it pretty well established IMO.

OTOH, there is nothing -- nothing at all, really -- to support your own suggestion that somebody lied to or misled Panetta. This was conjured out of the thin air. The same can't be said of the claim that Cheney ordered the CIA's silence. It was sworn to under oath, reported in the papers and stands uncontradicted by those involved.

[Wild Cobra]

Panetta testified to it and the newspapers reported it. Neither Cheney nor anyone in the CIA has denied it. That makes it pretty well established IMO.

OTOH, there is nothing -- nothing at all, really -- to support your own suggestion that somebody lied to or misled Panetta. This was conjured out of the thin air. The same can't be said of the claim that Cheney ordered the CIA's silence. It was sworn to under oath, reported in the papers and stands uncontradicted by those involved.

There comes a time when allegations are so many, that it becomes pointless to recognize them. Especially if they aren't true. If Cheney took the time to address every allegation made, he wouldn't have much of a retirement. Would he.

Look, I know that it might be true that he requested the information to be held. Even if true, I don't give a . It doesn't matter. It wasn't illegal, it's just showing us who all is are cry babys. You may as well be counted as one.

[George Gervin's Afro]

There comes a time when allegations are so many, that it becomes pointless to recognize them. Especially if they aren't true. If Obama took the time to address every allegation made, he wouldn't have much time do his job Would he.

Do you realize how many double standards you have?

[Winehole23]

There comes a time when allegations are so many, that it becomes pointless to recognize them. Especially if they aren't true. If Cheney took the time to address every allegation made, he wouldn't have much of a retirement. Would he.

Odd that Mr. Cheney should have turned suddenly shy or complacent, but so much the worse for him if he is unwilling to correct the historical record.

Look, I know that it might be true that he requested the information to be held. Even if true, I don't give a .

Your unbidden twistifications on behalf of Mr. Cheney seem to indicate otherwise.

It doesn't matter. It wasn't illegal, it's just showing us who all is are cry babys. You may as well be counted as one.

Now that your argument has been exposed yet again as nothing but threadbare posturing, you resort to sullen name calling.

Just like a little....what's the word again?

[antimvp]

well, i hate to break it to you, but look at the current administration and this global warming farce.

asshole, 4000 Americans have died in Iraq....what exactly is you point?

[sook]

i was all for just moving in a new directoin and forgetting everything but this bas needs to be prosecuted.

I would like to see the exact clause in the const where it says the VP has the right to tell the CIA to conceal info. He is the president of the senate and that is pretty much it.